[讨论] Cole Hamels

楼主: SeungYeon (我爱胜妍)   2012-01-19 15:15:42
Cole Hamels跟费城人签下15M/Y 这是最后一年仲裁 2012球季结束会成为FA
经纪人的谈话看起来会让他成为自由球员拿到一张可观的长约
以他的年纪跟成绩 平均接近20M/Y的长约应该可以预期的吧
经纪人是没讲到底他的客户值得拿到多少的合约 不过也不会考虑类似织织的5Y/85M
费城GM Ruben Amaro Jr.只说会继续跟经纪人协商试着签下一份长约绑住他
会不会出现一队轮值中有三个平均20M的投手呢?
Cole Hamels今年28岁 生涯ERA+ 126 又是左投 大家觉得他可能拿到多大的合约呢~
Agent expects 'elite' contract for Hamels
One contract watch is over for Cole Hamels and another is just beginning.
Hamels and the Phillies avoided an arbitration hearing when they agreed to a
one-year, $15 million contract on Tuesday
The Phillies already had control of Hamels’ rights for 2012. The only
mystery was how much of a raise would he get from the $9.5 million he made in
2011. Now that the numbers are official, things are about to get really
interesting for Hamels and the Phils.
The 28-year-old lefty will be eligible for free agency at the end of the 2012
season and the big question is: Will he become the Phils’ next
$20-million-per-year talent, joining Ryan Howard, Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay
in that stratosphere?
Agent John Boggs would not put a number on his client’s value on Tuesday
night, but he sure made it sound as if that’s what it’s going to take for
the Phillies to retain Hamels beyond 2012.
“At the appropriate time, Cole is looking to be compensated as one of the
premier left-handed pitchers in baseball,” Boggs said in a telephone
interview from his San Diego office. “Without putting a number on it, we’ll
leave it at the fact that he’s an elite pitcher. Look and see what elite
pitchers are compensated with. Hopefully at the end of the day we’ll be able
to get something done with the Phillies that will reflect that.”
A quick look at some of the top lefties in baseball shows a number of
contracts with average annual values of at least $20 million. One of them
belongs to Lee, whose AAV is $24 million.
While Boggs did not want to put a specific number on Hamels’ value, he made
it clear that he does not consider Jered Weaver’s five-year, $85 million
contract with the Los Angeles Angels to be a valid comparable for his client.
Weaver, who is a year older than Hamels and has similar career numbers,
signed the deal in August. It carries an AAV of $17 million.
“I don’t think it’s a parallel,” Boggs said of Weaver’s deal. “That
contract is great for Jered. I understand it. But he took a different path
and left a lot of money on the table. He came up through the Angels system
and grew up in their backyard. He’s pitching where he grew up. That
situation appeals to him. It’s a similar situation to when I had Tony Gwynn.
“Without getting into specifics of what we’re looking for, the Weaver
situation is unique to Weaver.”
So the Phils would appear to have their work cut out for them in their quest
to retain Hamels longterm. General manager Ruben Amaro Jr. does not talk
about the specifics of contract negotiations, but he did say he will continue
to speak with Boggs and try to get a longterm deal done. Boggs said he was
planning to visit with Amaro during spring training in Clearwater. The Phils
have exclusive negotiating rights with Hamels until five days after the 2012
World Series, and Boggs said he hadn’t considered setting any deadlines.
If Hamels stays healthy in 2012 and continues to improve – he had a
career-best 2.79 ERA and finished fifth in NL Cy Young voting in 2011 – he
will have plenty of suitors on the free-agent market. But his preference at
this time is to get something done with the team that drafted him in 2002.
“When you’re this close [to free-agency] you have mixed emotions,” Boggs
said. “But Cole has come through the Phillies organization, and if you asked
him his preference, more than likely he’d want to remain with the Phillies.
That’s how it would be going into the negotiations, but every negotiation is
different. Everything depends on our perceived value of what Cole is worth
and what their perceived value of him is. That will dictate if a long-term
deal gets done. We’ll always give the Phillies every opportunity to secure
him.”
http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies-talk/post/Agent-expects-elite-contract-for-Hamels?blockID=633252&feedID=704
作者: AWainwright (我将再起)   2012-01-19 15:16:00
也许有机会向神左或Zito看齐
作者: dp44 (lol)   2012-01-19 15:22:00
希望能看到他进自由市场Q_Q
作者: qscxz (奈米哥)   2012-01-19 15:22:00
ZITO抢很大 XD
作者: youshiuan (就是鼠)   2012-01-19 15:33:00
终身费城人啊!!
作者: waylouvre (pig)   2012-01-19 15:51:00
今年保持成绩,要拿20M/Y轻而易举吧
作者: funy98 (funy98)   2012-01-19 15:52:00
以Cole Hamels现在的成绩,只拿Zito等级的合约还蛮便宜的~
作者: su43123 (无与伦比美丽的妳)   2012-01-19 15:57:00
90M/5ys
作者: gdntust (阿狗)   2012-01-19 16:00:00
90M/5yrs 今年保持成绩 我是总管我一定签
作者: azlbf (上邪!我欲與君相知)   2012-01-19 16:07:00
保持成绩为前提...有多少人可以保持签约年的成绩呢?
作者: azlbf (上邪!我欲與君相知)   2012-01-19 16:08:00
有没有人要做10大划算跟10大摆烂FA
作者: su43123 (无与伦比美丽的妳)   2012-01-19 16:20:00
十大摆烂我马上想到几个 XD
作者: sylviehsiang (Shawn)   2012-01-19 16:24:00
park pavano wells
作者: KusoPvt (先说好别打脸)   2012-01-19 16:25:00
90/5y也太短
作者: prereality (大鼠买一送一)   2012-01-19 16:30:00
还好啦 投手不是很流行签五年?
作者: joseph316 (普通朋友)   2012-01-19 16:51:00
6y110m只到35岁我都觉得不过分
作者: autoppp (☆㊣↖☯☁☁☯↘㊣☆)   2012-01-19 17:02:00
他跟山大王,谁的变速球较强?
作者: abc0922001 (中士abc)   2012-01-19 17:05:00
山大王
作者: arsia (陈阿生)   2012-01-19 17:06:00
现在的话我觉得黑魔使比较强..强在健康稳定
作者: arsia (陈阿生)   2012-01-19 17:07:00
山大王被大都会这个DL魔咒害惨了 = =
作者: krizarlid (Let's Go Cubs !)   2012-01-19 17:10:00
进FA 应该会喊个6Y/120M吧
作者: transformer8 (金刚变形)   2012-01-19 17:20:00
山大王比黑魔使强多了
作者: x24627785 (旅は道连れ世は情け)   2012-01-19 17:23:00
^以前的
作者: evilwyh (我相信我可以。)   2012-01-19 17:52:00
17起跳 +激励没破20 说不过去
作者: taker627 (你马英九吗?)   2012-01-19 17:55:00
好怀念双城时期的山大王
作者: sonnyissonny (sonny)   2012-01-19 18:27:00
回不去的神左 当年那种不算超快但够准的速球+变速~唉
作者: redzero (小王)   2012-01-19 19:16:00
我觉得他会破20M 投球太稳了又正值28高峰
作者: SatoTakuma (鍵盤評論家)   2012-01-19 19:32:00
PHI ACE...
作者: WLR (WLR™)   2012-01-19 19:50:00
希望年尾进个FA,这样才有球季后的乐趣
作者: tigertiger (虎虎)   2012-01-19 20:39:00
CJ丢的比他好 然后他拿20M?
作者: keroro01 (PTT重度使用者)   2012-01-19 20:41:00
薪水比较看运气 跟实力关系没那么直接 看看那精美的12M..
作者: OoyaoO (你今天崩潰了嗎 囧)   2012-01-19 20:46:00
薪水只要合约年爆发就会飙了
作者: kikielle (This song is over)   2012-01-19 20:46:00
CJ是自己太佛心 不能拿他的约来跟黑魔使比
作者: tigertiger (虎虎)   2012-01-19 20:47:00
我是好奇CJ被一堆人嫌贵 现在又一堆人喊HAMELS要20M
作者: kikielle (This song is over)   2012-01-19 20:49:00
CJ被嫌贵根本不是实力的问题= =
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2012-01-19 20:49:00
西街比黑魔使 科科....
作者: AWainwright (我将再起)   2012-01-19 21:04:00
实力有差
作者: sonnyissonny (sonny)   2012-01-19 21:09:00
真给平均一年20M的肥约 PHI该不会成为首支三位SP平均
作者: sonnyissonny (sonny)   2012-01-19 21:10:00
年薪都破20M的球队~@@ 以往有这种大方球队吗? 印象中NYY BOS之类的豪门球队好像也没这样过
作者: skypieadream (Lamune)   2012-01-19 21:20:00
西街丢得比黑魔使好!?...科科
作者: goolgo (哇)   2012-01-19 21:30:00
留费城~doc和lee都有年纪了 黒魔使留下来会变成费城的脸
作者: kenro   2012-01-19 21:31:00
反正-毛也不用出,随便喊价也没关系
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2012-01-19 21:32:00
不是会变成费城的脸 而是早已是费城的脸了...
作者: tigertiger (虎虎)   2012-01-19 21:41:00
CJ这两年WAR 10.5 HAMELS 8.6 一年差了一胜...
作者: tigertiger (虎虎)   2012-01-19 21:42:00
两位是在科什么?
作者: WuAShan (是谁住在深海大凤梨里)   2012-01-19 21:43:00
有些人就是连数据都不查被打脸刚好
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2012-01-19 21:50:00
年纪差三岁 固定先发也是近年的事 真的比较强?有带观察吧待
作者: kikielle (This song is over)   2012-01-19 22:02:00
楼上说到重点了 有些人可能觉得合约只看数据吧
作者: waylouvre (pig)   2012-01-19 22:36:00
不觉得CJ有丢比较好,算同级吧
作者: goury   2012-01-19 22:46:00
虽然很意外...姑且不论Hamels长期稳定了几年
作者: echomica (长崎美人)   2012-01-19 22:47:00
既然都查了数据 也该知道Hamels威了几年 CJ只先发几年吧?
作者: goury   2012-01-19 22:50:00
居然连这两年BR的WAR,Hamels都高于C.J.的,某楼不知道看哪去
作者: jimmihg (TheKing)   2012-01-19 22:52:00
拿CJ比? CJ没人赶出大手笔的原因在于伤病史,还有他转先发
作者: jimmihg (TheKing)   2012-01-19 22:53:00
才没几年,所以他的手臂是有健康风险的!
作者: jimmihg (TheKing)   2012-01-19 22:54:00
你能够稳定无伤病的长时间先发,你才有可能有大约可以拿!投手可不比野手,健康是很重要的考虑因素!!
作者: jimmihg (TheKing)   2012-01-19 22:55:00
甚至投球机制被评断有受伤风险,那你投再好都会被打问号!
作者: goury   2012-01-19 22:59:00
恩...↑不知道敢那么大声说没人敢出大手笔给C.J.的依据在哪
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2012-01-19 23:01:00
NYY表示:
作者: CGary (下雨天也挺浪漫的)   2012-01-19 23:05:00
CJ不能跟黑魔使比 原因不在实力这件事情上...
作者: jimmihg (TheKing)   2012-01-19 23:07:00
G大我这只是推断,相对您也不能说有人愿意出大手笔给CJ
作者: jimmihg (TheKing)   2012-01-19 23:08:00
现实来说就是他的新资是5Y平均不到16M当然离家近是他考量重点,但是若有人愿意开20M/1Y,您觉得他
作者: jimmihg (TheKing)   2012-01-19 23:09:00
不会追求大合约吗?
作者: jimmihg (TheKing)   2012-01-19 23:10:00
我想说的和CGary大相同,他跟黑魔使的差距不是在"实力"..
作者: CGary (下雨天也挺浪漫的)   2012-01-19 23:10:00
我觉得CJ应该是一个5年90M等级的选手,事实上他肯降薪签我也
作者: CGary (下雨天也挺浪漫的)   2012-01-19 23:11:00
很讶异... 毕竟5年可能是CJ最后一份大约... 但对Hamels而言,就算他签这五年,他还可能接下一份大约...这样想你就知道为甚
作者: CGary (下雨天也挺浪漫的)   2012-01-19 23:12:00
么 CJ 不能跟 Hamels 比了...我认为合理评估要下单Hamels 的,会端一份七年合约出来跟他谈
作者: CGary (下雨天也挺浪漫的)   2012-01-19 23:14:00
这是对球团在风险以及报酬下最好的盘算,Hamels这方应该会好好参考一下沙胖的签约方式...:D
作者: Tulowitzki2 (图喏)   2012-01-19 23:21:00
两个不同网站的WAR结果刚好相反,这样是在战什么?
作者: jimmihg (TheKing)   2012-01-20 00:11:00
应该是在讨论看选手不能只看帐面数据吧!!
作者: HumanBenzene (人苯)   2012-01-20 02:06:00
西街是怕痛痛吧
作者: Betances (Dellin Betances)   2012-01-20 02:39:00
这两个stuff还是有差...
作者: ColeHamels (ColeHamels)   2012-01-20 07:58:00
平均有2000万吧
作者: gunking94519   2012-01-20 10:32:00
楼上自肥
作者: shawncarter (Duffy Huang)   2012-01-20 10:45:00
CJ的岁数 伤病史 还有累积表现 先发的资历等都有差
作者: shawncarter (Duffy Huang)   2012-01-20 10:46:00
连这点都比不出来
作者: crow0801 (multitude)   2012-01-20 22:18:00
一个是转先发威两年 一个是有4、5年时间证明又更年轻

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