[外电]10 things I didn’t know about winnin …

楼主: Zamned (Как дела?)   2011-08-08 19:28:29
乱翻
Tim Wakefield is almost there. After 3,000-plus innings over 19 seasons with
two teams, the knuckleballer who just celebrated his 45th birthday last week
has 199 career wins. Next time he steps on the field, which should be later
today, he can become the 111th person to win 200 big league games (108th if you
don’t count the National Association as a big league).
蝴蝶球阿伯在十九个年头中投了超过三千局,现在老蝴蝶即将迈入一个伟大的纪录。
上星期满45岁的老蝴蝶刚刚拿下生涯第199胜,现在他将挑战第108位拿下二百胜的投手。
Now 200 wins isn’t one of the great milestones. That’s what 300 wins is for,
or for batters 3,000 hits or 500 homers. But 200 wins is still mighty dang
impressive. You have to be a pretty good pitcher to make it that far.
虽然200胜不比300胜、3000安、500轰这些纪录令社会大众津津乐道。但是200胜
还是个困难的挑战,只有绝佳的投手才有机会在生涯中达到这样的里程碑。
In honor of Wakefield’s impending achievement, I thought I’d take a look at
the 200-win club and some of the more interesting facts about its members and
their 200th wins. One nice thing about the 200-win club—since there are more
members than the more prestigious 300-win club, there are more comparisons to
make. Besides, since this is my 200th column for THT, it’s as good a time as
any to look at 200 wins.
One quick note: in general, most comments here deal not with the entire 110
members of the club, but the 80 or so who joined since 1919. I’d love to
comment on the entire bunch, but Retrosheet and Baseball-Reference’s Play
Index only go back so far.
That said, here are some fun facts about the club Tim Wakefield is on the verge
of joining:
1. Tim Wakefield will be the oldest person to post his 200th victory
最老达成二百胜的投手
Let’s say Tim Wakefield wins No. 200 tonight against the Twins. He’ll be 45
years and 6 days old, which would set a new record for oldest man to win No.
200.
如果老蝴蝶能够在接下来对双城队的比赛赢得生涯二百胜,他的年纪45岁又六日
将为最老拿下200胜投手的纪录新猷。
The current record holder is Charlie Hough, who won No. 200 exactly
months after his 44th birthday. After him is Jack Quinn, 44 years, 2 months,
and 9 days old when he did it. By comparison, Jamie Moyer, was a sprightly 42
years, 7 months and 20 days old upon notching win 200.
之前的纪录是由Charlie Hough所缔造地44岁2个月又九天。附带一提,老妖怪Jamie
Moyer的200胜是在他42岁7个月又20天时达到的。
Let’s flip this around: who is the youngest guy to do it? Well, the long dead
guys dominate this list. A sizable majority of the pre-1920 200-game winners
did it before turning 31 years old. Only one man has done it since 1920.
我知道大家都现在想问什么。那谁是最年轻就站上200胜舞台的家伙呢?要比年轻,
现代人是比不过清朝人的,在1920年前绝大多数的200胜投手在31岁前就完成纪录。
在此之后,仅仅只有一位能在31岁前办到...
But the youngest man ever? If you count the NA as a real league, it’s Al
Spalding, who did it around his 25th birthday. If you ignore the NA, the record
holder is the Hoosier Thunderbolt, Amos Rusie, who did it just before his 26th
birthday. He would’ve done it even earlier, too, but he sat out his entire
age-25 season.
清朝人很厉害没错,但是到底最幼齿的是哪位高手呢?别急!!别急!!如果连同
National Association年代一起计算,那Al Spalding在25岁生日当天的200胜将
是最幼齿的纪录保持人;如果你认为National Association根本不是职业联盟怎
能列入统计,那Amos Rusie就符合你的要求,虽然 Rusie在1896年缺席整季的比
赛但是他在隔年的26岁生日前完成个人生涯200胜。
Among post-1920 pitchers, the youngest is Mustache Gang ace Catfish Hunter. He
was 30 years, 5 months, and 11 days when he crossed that threshold.
1920年后的近代棒球,最年轻的纪录是名人堂投手Catfish Hunter,他的纪录是
30岁5个月又11天,当时他在纽约洋基队。
2. Tim Wakefield will end one of the longest droughts without a 200th win
怎么感觉好久没出现200胜的投手啦?
Quick quiz: who was the last man to win his 200th game? Answer: Andy Pettitte,
back in September 2007. Nearly four years is an eternity between 200-game
winners.
派帅是上一位拿到200胜的投手,当时是在2007年的九月份。从此之后,还没有
一位投手能跨进200胜的领域。而老蝴蝶可望在四年之后也就是2011年成为派帅
身后的200胜投手...
It’s the longest wait in a half-century, since four years and 10 days
separated the 200th win for Robin Roberts and Billy Pierce from 1958 to 1962.
Before that you need to go back another generation. After Eddie Cicotte won his
200th in 1920, the next member came in 1924, Wilbur Cooper.
这是50年间以来以来最长的等待,在此之前则是Robin Roberts和Billy Pierce共同
保持的4年又10天的纪录;附带一提,上个世纪也就是二十世纪的最长纪录也是四年,
1920的Eddie Cicotte和1924的Wilbur Cooper。
The longest wait between 200-game winners is five years. After a slew crossed,
the barrier in 1897 (Cy Young, Silver King, Amos Rusie, Jack Stivetts), no one
else did until Clark Griffith in 1902. After Griffith, it was another four-year
wait until Iron Man Joe McGinnity in 1906.
当然,古人总是有些特别的纪录!间隔最长的纪录当然也难逃那些老前辈的法掌。在1897
年量产一票200胜投手(Cy Young, Silver King, Amos Rusie, Jack Stivetts)后,直
到五年后的1902年才有投手达成200胜的生涯里程。
As it happens, the 1897 quartet is still tied for most 200-game winners in one
year. It’s only happened once since then, in 1978 when Steve Carlton, Don
Sutton, Jim Palmer, and Luis Tiant did it.
现在我们知道在1897年那年有四位老妖怪们结伙缔造200胜纪录。不过这项创举不是
唯一,在1978年同样有四位妖怪追平古人的纪录(Steve Carlton, Don Sutton,
Jim Palmer, Luis Tiant),单年最多的200胜纪录就是由八位妖怪共同保持至今。
At any rate, at least those earlier droughts had the excuse of occurring in
pre-expansion days. Given that there are currently 30 teams, the ongoing
drought might be the worst.
3. Averages at the 200-win plateau
完成200胜时的生涯战绩
In the Retrosheet era, 80 men have won 200 games. Their average record upon
joining the club is 200-146. Strangely, no one’s ever had that exact record.
Three were 200-145 (Eddie Cicotte, Steve Carlton, and Luis Tiant), and three
were 200-147 (Waite Hoyt, Hal Newhouser, Fergie Jenkins). Thirty-six were
better than 200-146 and the other 44 worse.
根据Retrosheet的统计,有八十位投手拿到200胜。而这中间拿到200胜时的生涯平均
纪录是200胜146败,但是......有趣的地方是没有一位成员的战绩刚好是200胜146败。
Eddie Cicotte, Steve Carlton, Luis Tiant是200胜145败少输一场;而 Waite Hoyt,
Hal Newhouser, Fergie Jenkins则是200胜147败多输一场。总计来说有36位投手当时
的成绩是高于平均线,而有44位是比平均线还糟糕,但是就是没人能刚好达到平均....
Wakefield? He’s currently 199-176. In the Retrosheet era, no one had exactly
176 losses, and only a dozen had more when they won No. 200.
那老蝴蝶他又是如何呢??老蝴蝶目前是199胜176败,在有现代纪录以来,没有一位
200胜投手的败场多过老蝴蝶。再来看看古人纪录,也仅有十二人的败场是高过老蝴蝶。
4. Only five guys had fewer than 100 wins when they won No. 200
只有五位选手在生涯200胜时仍保有二位数败场成绩
Trivia time: In the Play Index era (1919-onward), can you name any of the five
men who won 200 games before losing 100? I’ll give you a few seconds.
你能找出任五位高手能在输掉100场比赛前就达成200胜的投手吗?
The first one did it really early. In fact, if you shift the border from 1919
to 1920, he’s left out. It’s Pete Alexander, who had a record of 200-95 once
upon a time.
这个厉害的成绩竟然很早就有鬼神做到了,1920年Pete Alexander拿到200胜,
当时他的败场只有95场。
The other four all are safely post-1920 pitchers: Lefty Grove, Whitey Ford,
Juan Marichal, and Pedro Martinez. Ford had the best record of them all,
200-79. Three of those names aren’t surprising at all.
另外四位都是近代棒球的人物,他们分别是Lefty Grove, Whitey Ford,Juan Marichal
和Pedro"whos ur daddy" Martinez;这五位大人物中,尤以Whitey Ford的成绩是最好
的,在他拿下200胜时,他的总计场数仅仅79场。
5. Those Niekro and Perry brothers
神鬼兄弟
Two sets of brothers have won 200 games: Phil Niekro and brother Joe, and Jim
and Gaylord Perry. They have some weird items when it comes to winning 200
games.
名人堂成员Phil Niekro和Gaylord Perry分别和他们的弟弟以及哥哥一起达成200胜。
The Niekros had virtually identical records when they did it. Joe Niekro was
200-174 and Phil 200-175. That’s a surprise—Phil’s the much better pitcher
overall, and ended his career with a much better record.
首先是Phil Niekro和弟弟Joe Niekro之间的故事。尽管Phil Niekro的生涯成就远高
过弟弟Joe Niekro,但是在两人挑战200胜纪录时,总成绩竟是非常接近的(200-174以
及200-175)。
Well, the record only tells you so much. How old they were at win No. 200
matters. Sure enough, Joe was one of the oldest of all-time: 40 years, 7
months, and 25 days. But ... Phil was exactly one month past his 40th birthday.
好了,你们一定会说Joe拿到200胜灯已经几岁呢?怎能拿来和名人堂球星Phil Niekro
比咧?当然,Phil Niekro的弟弟在40岁7个月又25天达成200胜,是数一数二晚的;不
过Phil也没赢弟弟多少,他是在40岁生日前没多久才挤进200俱乐部的。
So they had the same record at about the same age. Phil was a much better
pitcher. He generally had worse run support than Joe did and was far better in
his peak. But beyond that, a large part of the difference in the Niekros was
what happened in their 40s. Phil just aged really, really well, even for a
knuckler.
从前段得知,Niekro兄弟俩都在40岁完成200胜。Phil无疑是个更好的投手,但是
却不像他的弟弟Joe那般常请消夜。整体来论Phil在晚年的表现凌驾在Joe Niekro
即使蝴蝶球帮助Phil Niekro年延益寿,但是Phil在对抗岁月上硬是有它的一套。
As for the Perry brothers, they also had nearly identical records. Jim Perry
was 200-159 and Gaylord 200-157. There’s a bigger gap in ages here, as Gaylord
was 25 months younger.
Perry兄弟也是一样,200-159和200-157的纪录非常相近。不过Perry兄弟的年龄
差距较大,弟弟Gaylord比哥哥Jim小了二岁多。
Here’s the best part about the Perrys, though. When Jim Perry won No. 200, he
led the Indians to a 2-1 win over the Red Sox. The next day, the Indians again
beat the Red Sox 2-1 The winning pitcher? Brother Gaylord, of course.
Jim Perry的200胜是率领印地安人以2:1击败红袜赢得的,有趣的是...隔天红袜队
再次遭受Perry的毒手,又以2:1败给印第安人队。不过此Perry非彼Perry,这次是
由弟弟 Gaylord Perry痛下杀手。
6. Best/worst after win No. 200
二百胜后,究竟是痛苦的开始?还是即将迈向伟大的航道?
Remember how Marichal’s record fell off after winning No. 200? That brings up
some questions. Who did the best/worst after winning 200? Who had the biggest
fall off? Did anyone actually get better in terms of winning percentage?
还记得Juan Marichal拿到200胜后的快速殒落吗?我知道读者都是嗜血地,你们的脑袋
应该迫不及待地想知道,到底这些好投手谁的死状最悽惨?谁的表现是上一层楼?
Let’s limit this to people with more than 50 decisions after their 200th win,
or else the answer will be someone like Charlie Root, who went 1-0 between his
200th win and retirement.
首先我要做的设限,不然孰优孰劣很难界定(比如:Charlie Root在以1:0赢得200胜后
就退休的案例)。所以我的前提是在200胜过后仍然出赛超过50场的投手才有资格列入
讨论。
Among those guys, the best winning percentage belongs to Roger Clemens, who
went 154-73 (.678) after his 200th win. Prior to that he won only at a .643
clip. (Pause for people to mutter a steroids-related comment.) Yeah, but he
also had much better run support later in his career, too.
首先,Roger Clemens拥有最佳的胜率,总计154胜73败高达6成78的胜率;相比之下,
在200胜前火箭人的胜率则是略逊一筹的6成43。当然,火箭人身后的打者一直给他极佳
的分数支援,这是原因之一;然后有些观众会说,火箭人有不能说的咪咪让他的成绩头
好壮壮...好了,至少在纪录上来看,他的胜率是恐怖地高啊!
Next-best winning percentage after joining the club: Red Ruffing. Huh. Ruffing
is a guy who lost 90 games before winning 40. Pitching for terrible Red Sox
teams, Ruffing had an even worse winning record. Then he went to terrific
Yankee teams and had an even better winning percentage. Weird.
胜率第二高的是Red Ruffing。呼呼~~~你知道吗?当Red Ruffing吞了90败时他的胜场
只有40场。不过Red Ruffing待的是队友根本不会给他分数支援的大烂队红袜队,所以
战绩非常的糟糕;但是当他25岁转队到洋基国后,洋基兄弟倒是很挺他...
Plus Ruffing also aged really well. He went from 200-184 (.521) to 73-41 (.640)
in his final years. And yes, that’s the biggest improvement in winning
percentage for anyone with at least 50 decisions after the 200th win.
附带一提,Ruffing在200胜后的胜率是6成40。和200胜前的5成21胜率相比,
致这之间的差距是限制条件下最大的增幅。
The worst winning record. With 50 or more decisions, Joe Niekro is on bottom:
21-30. That’s another reason he and his brother had such very different career
marks. That said, two guys narrowly under 50 decision were worse than the
lesser Niekro: Charlie Hough (16-30) and Mickey Lolich (17-31).
至于烂的部分,Joe Niekro榜上有名,21胜30败的晚年成绩和他哥哥老来俏的
成绩有着天壤之别。其他200胜后开始走样的头有则有Charlie Hough (16-30)
和Mickey Lolich (17-31)。
In fact, if you shift the boundary from 50 decisions to 48, Lolich steals
Marichal’s crown for the worst drop-off. Lolich went from a record of 200-160
(.556) to 17-31 (.354).
不过如果把样本数稍微放宽一点,Mickey Lolich的17胜31败、3成54的胜率
将成为烂中之王。
7. Best performances in winning No. 200
200俱乐部中谁的200胜投的最好
Let’s shift focus and look at the specific game a pitcher wins No. 200. The
last 80 times a guy won his 200th, five did it in relief. Aside from Lew
Burdette, the relievers all did it from 1932-41.
最近的80位200胜投手,仅有五位是以中继投手身分拿下。其中Lew Burdette在
1931年到1941年间更是一位专职中继。这个问题我们主要是讨论先发投手在他们
挑战200胜时的表现,所以中继投手抱歉啦~~
For the 75 starters, their average line is: 8 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, and 4 K
for a typical Game Score of 64 Only one pitcher, Greg Maddux, had a Game Score
of exactly 64. Forty-one others topped it, and 22 were below it.
其中75位先发投手的综合平均成绩是 8 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 4 K。
By Game Score, the best performance ever belongs to that craftiest of
left-handers, Tommy John. He allowed two singles and that was in his 200th. His
Game Score of 89 ties his personal best. John is one of eight since 1919 to
toss a complete-game shutout in his 200th win. Since John, no one has done it,
though. Rick Reuschel almost did, giving up his only run in the bottom of the
ninth.
根据统计,最好的比赛应该是由Tommy John夺得,在竞争第200场胜投时,他让对手
游骑兵仅仅击出零星二支安打,最后以完投完封拿下200胜。这也是1919年以来第八
位能够在竞争200胜下完投完封的投手,Tommy John之后除了Rick Reuschel在九局前
攻尽弃外,目前仍未有人能接触这个神的领域。
Don Drysdale probably had the most impressive performance of all, though. He
came four outs from a no-hitter. He ended with two hits, three walks, and an
unearned run.
Don Drysdale的比赛也是个非常棒的选择,他投了8又1/3局的无安打比赛,但是
最后总结成绩是被打2支安打、三次保送、失掉一个非自责分。
In some incredibly unsurprising news, the most strikeouts by a pitcher winning
his 300th was Nolan Ryan, who fanned 13. See? Told you it wasn’t surprising.
Ryan also struck out 13 when defeated by Luis Tiant for Tiant’s 200th win.
Only one other pitcher fanned double-digits in his 200th win, Roger Clemens
with 12.
而大联盟三振王Nolan Ryan在他的200胜之旅还是照惯例飙出一堆三振,全场送
出13张老K来庆祝他的第200胜。另外一位能在200胜当中投出双位数三振则是火
箭人Roger Clemens,他投了12次三振。
At the other end, three guys fanned no one in a complete-game win, including
Early Wynn with a complete-game shutout.
也有另外一个极端,有三位投手连一个三振都没送出照样以完投笑取200胜,
其中Early Wynn还是完投完封的无三振秀。
Warren Spahn deserves a special commendation for winning 4-3 in 12 innings
while batting 3-for-3 with a double. Not bad.
Warren Spahn的强投豪打也该记上一笔,那场比赛鏖战12局最后他以4:3赢得
胜利,还附带单场3-3一支二垒安打。伟哉!
8. Best hitting in #200
又投又打的200胜比赛
Spahn’s performance brings up the question—who did the best job with the bat
in his 200th win?
生涯超过300胜的Warren Spahn,生涯有35支全垒打。因为有了Spahn所以人们
开始问些怪问题。比如说:哪位200胜投手在地200场胜利中有好的打击成绩?
It’s Spahn, as no one else had three hits in a game. A handful of guys had two
hits, but only one since World War II: Orel Hershiser.
Spahn单场3-3的表现让他称王好一阵子,其他人打个一支、打了二支根本没法相提
并论,直到二次大战后的Orel Hershiser才能续传绝学。
Only one pitcher ever homered in his 200th win: Bob Lemon. That makes sense,
given that he’s one of the best-hitting pitchers of all time. Lemon blasted a
two-run homer in a 3-1 win. Nice.
200俱乐部中,只有一位投手能在挑战第200胜时轰出全垒打。Bob Lemon靠着
自己的二分全垒打赢得生涯第200胜,在他的二分砲助威下,最终以3:1赢得比
赛。
Two men tripled—Stan Coveleski and Hooks Dauss. Actually, Hooks Dauss won in
game memorably for other reasons. In that game, Dauss’ Tigers triumphed over
the Yankees by the ever so narrow margin of 19 to 1. For a long, long time,
that was tied for the worst loss in Yankee history. Then they had to go and
lose by 22 runs by in August 2004.
另外Stan Coveleski 和 Hooks Dauss这二位投手在挑战200胜时打出三垒安打,
Hooks Dauss的事蹟更是值得特别提出,那场比赛Dauss的老虎队血洗洋基队,经
过漫长的砲轰后和Hooks Dauss漫长的等待后,老虎以19:1大胜洋基然后 Dauss
等到他的第200胜。这场比赛有很长一段时间是洋基队史上最惨的纪录....
9. Worst pitching in No. 200
呼叫砲兵支援的200胜
Let’s flip around a question asked earlier: what’s the worst pitching
performance ever by a guy who won his 200th decision? By Game Score, Fergie
Jenkins “wins” in a route. He beat the Indians—or more accurately was the
pitcher of record when his Boston teammates beat the Indians, 8-7 on July 27,
1976.
一个有趣的议题,投手虽然拿到第200胜,但是该场成绩却是惨不忍睹。有没有这种情形
啊??当然有啊!!从分数盒中我们得知Fergie Jenkins击败印地安人拿到生涯第200胜,
欧~~~不对,应该是他的砲兵队友击败印地安人队。
Fergie got the win despite allowing seven runs (all earned) on 14 hits in seven
innings. His Game Score of 23 was the worst he had in any start all year. It’s
the worst he’d ever have in any game he claimed the victory in.
Fergie在那场比赛中被打14支安打,喷掉7分自分。那是该年他最惨烈的投球内容,
也应该会是他这辈子最糟的赢球方式。
Still, that might not be the real worst start here. Herb Pennock deserves at
least a mention. His Game Score of 30 tops Jenkins (though no one else) but it
was a very strange victory. He lasted only four innings. It wasn’t a
rain-shortened game or called for darkness—he pitched the first four innings
of a nine-inning game, yet the official scorer gave him the decision anyway.
Weird.
不过这种程度就说"最惨",后面这位仁兄铁定不同意你的说法。Herb Pennock
的200胜战场只投了四局,这不是因为阴雨裁定或是照明设备爆掉无法比赛之类
的普通状况。而是确确实实的九局比赛...这场胜利究竟有什么误会,纪录组一
直没给出解释,太诡异了!
And Pennock didn’t even pitch that well in the game, either. He allowed eight
hits and four runs, all earned. In other words, he allowed as many hits and
runs per inning as Jenkins, he just pitched fewer of them.
这场比赛Pennock投得并不好,被打八支安打丢掉四分自责分 。Pennock投的和
Jenkins一样烂,而且吃的局数更加的少...
Vida Blue might have had the least enjoyable experience, though. After pitching
five shutout innings, he had to leave the game and didn’t return to the mound
for 34 days. I bet he’d trade a middling performance for an injury.
10. Best games and matchups
二百胜之间的对决
Even aside from the milestones achieved, most of these games were pretty good.
Twenty-seven of them were one-run games, including 25 of the 75 times the
200-gamer was a starting pitcher. Rather fittingly, most of the games were
pitchers duels. The most common score was 3-2, achieved eight times.
这种附有特殊意义的比赛往往演变成投手大战。有27场比赛是以一分差终结,其中25
场比赛是在先发投手身上分出胜负。在此之中而3:2这种比数总共出现过8次,是一分
叉比赛中最常出现的比数。
It’s hard to point to one game as the greatest. Drysdale’s near no-hitter
would be one possibility. Billy Pierce’s win might be the best, a 5-4 for the
Giants over the Dodgers (and Don Drysdale, as it turns out) in 1962. That came
in the midst of tight pennant race between those teams. As it turns out, had
Pierce and the Giants lost that day, they wouldn’t have won the pennant over
LA that year.
很难去评断谁的比赛最好,虽然Drysdale那个接近无安打比赛的球赛是一个不
错的选项,但是Billy Pierce的200胜奋斗赛可能才是最棒的,Pierce在1962年
以5:4率领巨人队击败Don Drysdale代表的道奇队。假如那场比赛巨人输给道奇,
那该年巨人对上道奇的战绩将是0胜12败,惨遭清盘。
The Pierce game is also one of 10 times the 200-gamer faced another member of
the club in his milestone victory. You can form a chain with guys sometimes.
For instance, Dennis Martinez won his 200th game against Atlanta and John
Smoltz. Smoltz won his 200th game over his former longtime teammate Tom
Glavine. Actually, both those games were also great pitcher’s duels with a 2-1
final score in each of them. Glavine’s 200th win came against Chris Holt, so
that ends that streak.
Pierce和后来成为200俱乐部的Drysdale的比赛,是200胜成员少数的对决。有时
候这对决会成为一条落落长地传承,比如说Dennis Martinez从John Smoltz手上
夺到200胜,Smoltz的200胜则是碰到老队友Glavine。更神奇的是这些比赛都是以
2:1分出胜负的投手战。而Glavine挑战200胜时则是碰到Chris Holt,但是Chris
Holt没有继续这样的传承...
Gaylord Perry has an odd claim to fame – he’s the only pitcher on the
receiving end of two different 200 milestone wins. He lost 2-1 to Jim Bunning,
and 7-2 to Bob Gibson in their milestone victories.
Gaylord Perry则有另外一个好有趣的纪录,有二位200俱乐部成员是从他身上
夺取宝贵的第200胜,他们分别是 Bob Gibson(7:2)和 Jim Bunning (2:1)
完...
http://goo.gl/ePRHX
作者: l60km (/hr)   2011-08-08 19:33:00
绿字看得好累...但还是谢谢原po
作者: cena0605 (姜西拿)   2011-08-08 19:33:00
加油!!!! 蝴蝶阿伯
作者: BryceHarperr (BryceHarper)   2011-08-08 19:34:00
推老魏~~~
作者: abc0922001 (中士abc)   2011-08-08 19:35:00
第17页第二行,"吴"三振秀
作者: Jaicabai   2011-08-08 19:35:00
推老蝴蝶!!! 推原po!!! 辛苦了!!!
作者: JoshBeckeet (被嘘暴 是种艺术)   2011-08-08 19:35:00
好文...
作者: Librajames (JAMES)   2011-08-08 19:38:00
老蝴蝶!!!
作者: sdim (IT'S TIME)   2011-08-08 19:40:00
很有趣的翻译~清朝人&迈向伟大的航道XD
作者: chsh320 (爱吃嫩草的老牛)   2011-08-08 19:42:00
老蝴蝶
作者: yungwena (你今天银魂了吗?)   2011-08-08 19:44:00
优质好文
作者: condition0 (康迪迅零)   2011-08-08 19:45:00
清朝人XD
作者: ps20012001 (开始想明年新计画)   2011-08-08 19:46:00
年龄也是一种鸿沟 但蝴蝶轻飘飘的飞跃过去了 恭喜..@@.
作者: jameshu0910 (Buchy)   2011-08-08 19:46:00
很耐心的看完了~推
作者: JohnnyDamon ( 我回来囉^.<)   2011-08-08 19:47:00
25岁200胜很扯 一年20胜他15岁就在投了...
作者: freeover (free)   2011-08-08 19:48:00
好怀念派帅, 不是有传闻他有打算复出, 季后赛胜投王!!!
作者: ps20012001 (开始想明年新计画)   2011-08-08 19:49:00
上古神兽动不动就300胜起跳...=.=.现代人是营养不良吗
作者: blackcellar (Let's Go Marlins!)   2011-08-08 19:50:00
古代棒球并不单纯...XD
作者: WLR (WLR™)   2011-08-08 19:51:00
感谢翻译,上古真的一堆神兽XD
作者: jason12308 (皇家礼炮21年)   2011-08-08 19:51:00
看得好累…(全都上古神兽比什么...XDDDD
作者: realgenius (smiling angel)   2011-08-08 19:54:00
上古时代一年四五十胜都有
作者: piger123   2011-08-08 19:56:00
大Z如果完成200胜200轰 是否也算是一项纪录?
作者: zax12345xx (杰克斯)   2011-08-08 19:57:00
上古时候的投手丘比较近,投手可以吐口水
作者: ChiroQQ (Chiro)   2011-08-08 20:00:00
老蝴蝶 加油阿QQ
作者: samnobu (吉法师)   2011-08-08 20:14:00
Nolan Ryan 那段有错字,不过无损你的好文
作者: wazowski (ludan)   2011-08-08 20:22:00
感谢翻译, 辛苦了... 但是翻译的错误,说真的,很多...
作者: evilvens (嘟嘟)   2011-08-08 20:23:00
作者: wazowski (ludan)   2011-08-08 20:24:00
没有恶意, 但是只看中文的部份容易被误导...
作者: qoozxc789 (呵呵)   2011-08-08 20:24:00
Pedro "whos your daddy" Martinez XDDDDD
作者: zxcvbbb ( )   2011-08-08 20:24:00
T.T 太感动了 老蝴蝶真是袜迷的荣耀
作者: chancewen (闲人乱逛)   2011-08-08 20:25:00
(≧▽≦)b
作者: qoozxc789 (呵呵)   2011-08-08 20:26:00
上古投手也比较操吧 两三天出战一次不是吗
作者: gwotie (第一台车!)   2011-08-08 20:31:00
给推
作者: Narancia (ジャサイカギン)   2011-08-08 20:35:00
whos ur daddy!
作者: nati (target)   2011-08-08 20:58:00
老魏加油...明天就200W
作者: luke77222 ( )   2011-08-08 21:08:00
呃...必须要说一下...Wake不是在45岁生日拿到199W的
作者: luke77222 ( )   2011-08-08 21:09:00
那句是说"上个星期满45岁的Wake已经获得199W了"
作者: wazowski (ludan)   2011-08-08 21:12:00
楼上, 中译里错的部份还有很多...
作者: oopsmamamiya ((˙(∞)˙))   2011-08-08 21:15:00
优质好文
作者: Alexander13 (Alex)   2011-08-08 21:16:00
作者: luke77222 ( )   2011-08-08 21:16:00
所以从那句后面就直接看原文了...
作者: luke77222 ( )   2011-08-08 21:19:00
不过原PO一开始就有写乱翻了,还是感谢提供原文 ^^
作者: TKWdEmoN (遗憾和眷恋)   2011-08-08 21:39:00
老魏~~~~~~~
作者: numb124 (Patrick)   2011-08-08 21:39:00
"不会给他分数支援的大烂队红袜队" XDD 原PO偷渡立场喔
作者: numb124 (Patrick)   2011-08-08 21:40:00
感谢原PO翻译
作者: TKWdEmoN (遗憾和眷恋)   2011-08-08 21:47:00
Red Ruffing那时红袜每年差不多输9x~10x场...是烂队无误
作者: SlamKai (Calm Violence)   2011-08-08 21:50:00
25岁 200胜 = =
作者: sony1256 (黃金海岸一日遊)   2011-08-08 22:14:00
上古投手数据 几乎不太能破
作者: Asucks (我的老婆是超人)   2011-08-08 22:19:00
作者: Phatmen (Keep viewing brightly)   2011-08-08 22:22:00
还有 Glavine在Smoltz之前就已经拿到200胜了 当Smoltz
作者: Phatmen (Keep viewing brightly)   2011-08-08 22:23:00
击败Glavine拿到200胜时 老葛都快要300胜了
作者: MarcLin (soybean)   2011-08-08 22:26:00
Smoltz还有150SV阿 ...
作者: panjanhon (天下没有白吃的午餐)   2011-08-08 23:07:00
上古神兽能接连出赛是不是少投变化球的关系
作者: searoar (暗坑大豆)   2011-08-08 23:47:00
收录精华区6->6->1
作者: deathspank (戴斯班克)   2011-08-08 23:48:00
感谢翻译 推
作者: sarspieya521 (HANA)   2011-08-08 23:52:00
天哪,原来已经快45岁了!!
作者: afulet (1岁就很帅)   2011-08-09 00:06:00
赞! 好文一定得推
作者: notmuchmoney (真的不错....)   2011-08-09 00:07:00
老蝴蝶 差不多是最平凡的200胜投手
作者: Connec (康奈克)   2011-08-09 00:15:00
能在大联盟投这么久这件事情就不平凡了
作者: plzen   2011-08-09 00:24:00
作者: kicoking (飞机)   2011-08-09 00:47:00
有看有推
作者: skyer1042 (平心静气)   2011-08-09 01:09:00
落落长 有看有推
作者: noodlecool (xx)   2011-08-09 01:12:00
PUSH*
作者: charles2512 ( )   2011-08-09 02:13:00
真高兴几年前买了老蝴蝶的旧版客场球员版球衣T.T
作者: poplc   2011-08-09 02:26:00
作者: sotight (小J)   2011-08-09 02:41:00
原PO超强 这种长度的文章我光看中文都累了= =
作者: kusoeni (lala)   2011-08-09 08:46:00
老蝴蝶再加把劲啊...
作者: FatalLuna (风の恋)   2011-08-09 09:57:00
又挑战失败了...
作者: miabcd199 (超级喜欢周迅)   2011-08-09 17:34:00
25岁200胜...
作者: mrroot (Private Emotion)   2011-08-10 13:14:00
1962 Giants-Dodgers Pennant race那整个不对...

Links booklink

Contact Us: admin [ a t ] ucptt.com