Baseball won't go the way of the NBA

楼主: abc12812   2011-03-01 13:20:25
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Much of the last week (if not, in fact, the past six months) has been devoted
to wailing and gnashing about Carmelo Anthony and what his insistence to play
for the Knicks means for the NBA. As a Cleveland fan, I'm certainly sensitive
to the issue of elite players using their free agency leverage to engineer
hand-picked “power” teams. Trust me, I've been there.
Is this good for the NBA? Frankly, I don't care all that much. It's the NBA.
I'll get by.
More interesting to me is the question, “What does this mean for baseball?"
To be honest, I don't think it means a damned thing.
Baseball teams have been putting together collections of elite talent for the
entire modern free-agency era, arguably since the end of the 19th century.
Sure, there have been flurries of arguments against a high-budget team
(usually the Yankees) putting together an unbeatable juggernaut at the
expense of the so-called “little guys,” but this rarely materializes. I see
a couple obvious factors here, and one surprising one.
One obvious one is roster size. One player on an NBA roster makes up 20
percent of the team in play and about 8 percent of the whole team: In MLB,
these numbers are more like 10 percent and 4 percent. If an NBA team gets
three elite players, they make up 60 percent of the starting lineup, and
probably play on the order of 50 percent of the total minutes. If the
Phillies sign even as many as four elite starting pitchers, they still need a
bullpen, offense, and defense.
Another factor is that one elite player can have a disproportionate impact on
a basketball game. Not only did LeBron James lead a team of role players to
the NBA Finals in 2007, but the Detroit Pistons of the early-00's were the
only team in recent memory (since 1980, say?) to win the Finals without
having one of the five best players in the NBA on the squad. In contrast, not
only did Felix Hernandez, good enough to win the Cy Young he deserved, not
lead the Seattle Mariners to a winning record, he didn't do so while having
Cliff Lee in the same rotation.
That seems like another factor: Admittedly, I'm a much bigger baseball fan
than NBA fan, but it just seems like there are more players in MLB that can
be considered really excellent compared to their peers. (Of course, there are
twice as many positions, too.)
The surprising reason, however, might be at least partially explained by the
salary cap (or lack thereof). There was no way for New Jersey to offer
Anthony a different amount of money than New York. While Cleveland could
offer James more money than any other team, it was only one more year, and
the percentage difference was fixed. In contrast, the woeful Detroit Tigers
were able to entice Ivan Rodriguez with what was considered a
disproportionate offer at the time, and although such plans don't always bear
fruit (Jayson Werth's deal with Washington comes to mind as the most recent
example of one not likely to work), the Tigers did win the AL Pennant in 2006.
Also, there are more ways to put together a playoff-caliber team in MLB,
which is why we've seen teams like Tampa Bay, San Francisco, Texas, St.
Louis, and Philadelphia in the World Series in recent years. The baseball
playoffs are more susceptible to randomness, too: It's pretty rare for an NBA
champion to be a team that pulled several upsets en route to their title.
I'm not saying one sport is better than the other: You're here, so you
probably share my opinion on the subject. But I'm pretty confident that while
the NBA landscape might have been changed significantly for the foreseeable
future, the MLB landscape looks pretty much unaffected by it.
作者: voon (ヅラじゃない、かつらだ)   2011-03-01 13:27:00
水手又被抓出来举例
作者: zino0310 (想对妳说不该说低话)   2011-03-01 13:42:00
篮球跟棒球本质就差很多 棒球不确定因素太多 自然不像NBA
作者: zino0310 (想对妳说不该说低话)   2011-03-01 13:43:00
有啥三巨头或四巨头 不然洋基早就十连霸了吧!!
作者: w9103 (Charlie)   2011-03-01 14:15:00
" " 真的没差吗?
作者: EEERRIICC (大尾魯蛇)   2011-03-01 14:22:00
费城没WSC的话
作者: josephhou (Marion)   2011-03-01 14:36:00
同样,棒球相对来讲也比较不像篮球需要化学反应什么鬼的
作者: josephhou (Marion)   2011-03-01 14:37:00
比较不用担心弄来一堆明星球员却配不起来,不是吗?
作者: tigertiger (虎虎)   2011-03-01 14:38:00
棒球的每个play比较独立 只有投手守备互相影响比较大
作者: EEERRIICC (大尾魯蛇)   2011-03-01 14:38:00
休息室毒药..
作者: searoar (暗坑大豆)   2011-03-01 14:57:00
voon:水手又被抓出来举例
作者: dickiong (洋儿)   2011-03-01 15:34:00
可以大致解释这篇在说什么吗?季后赛名额还是交易方面?
作者: honey4617912 (h.4)   2011-03-01 15:35:00
棒球是打着团队名号的自干运动阿~篮球自干能力强不一
作者: honey4617912 (h.4)   2011-03-01 15:36:00
定能增加球队胜率,但棒球却不是
作者: searoar (暗坑大豆)   2011-03-01 15:44:00
我认为相反 篮球一个人强20*20+庇荫队友 棒球你会被BB*4
作者: honey4617912 (h.4)   2011-03-01 15:50:00
你看看凯文爱跟灰狼胜率...
作者: shyuanan1 (狗比刺猬)   2011-03-01 16:34:00
若用 Love 举例恐怕有争议 他攻防都不是能罩全队的那种
作者: shyuanan1 (狗比刺猬)   2011-03-01 16:35:00
我倒想听听棒球要如何靠自干赢球~
作者: vince1025 (又搞定)   2011-03-01 16:41:00
一朗表示:
作者: ERICKAO08 (上帝爱死你)   2011-03-01 16:53:00
可能投手完投算是自干吧 没人会跟他抢球(误..
作者: tigertiger (虎虎)   2011-03-01 17:08:00
还是可以啦 Bonds 几乎一个打全队..不过故意用BB*4还是会没办法
作者: terop (琉璃狮子)   2011-03-01 17:14:00
作者:身为骑士迷对"大咖揪团"敏感也是很正常的
作者: honey4617912 (h.4)   2011-03-01 17:16:00
我的意思是篮球很讲化学效应这东西 棒球却非如此
作者: terop (琉璃狮子)   2011-03-01 17:17:00
其实光看标题我本来以为要说NBA封馆的事情
作者: honey4617912 (h.4)   2011-03-01 17:18:00
棒球你每个位置都摆个只爱刷数据的球员还是能赢篮球呢?
作者: StarlinCastr   2011-03-01 17:24:00
只爱刷数据的棒球员有这么好找的吗?
作者: StarlinCastr   2011-03-01 17:25:00
只要是职业运动都是要讲团队效应的
作者: DesertEagleX (banbanban)   2011-03-01 17:26:00
Putz: Ichiro只爱刷数据 没有团队精神
作者: StarlinCastr   2011-03-01 17:28:00
棒球一场最少要10个人玩 篮球只需要5个
作者: skypieadream (Lamune)   2011-03-01 17:28:00
看不懂你要表达什么!?是你喜欢的NBA比MLB来的复杂!?
作者: FatalLuna (风の恋)   2011-03-01 17:29:00
棒球数据那么好刷?! 我笑了
作者: StarlinCastr   2011-03-01 17:29:00
事实上人数越多的球种越难预测
作者: StarlinCastr   2011-03-01 17:30:00
篮球可以找人掩护 棒球的掩护不就是前后棒威力?
作者: StarlinCastr   2011-03-01 17:31:00
真正到上场打击还不是要靠自己真本事
作者: accprote (宗痛好酸灵)   2011-03-01 17:33:00
人数越多的越难预测 所以MLB一直比NBA难堵( ′-`)y-~
作者: maxspeed150 (听说茉夏分手了)   2011-03-01 17:40:00
可以问一下 棒球要怎么刷数据吗?
作者: lingjj (观察员)   2011-03-01 17:42:00
棒球没那么复杂 大部分时间只有投手、捕手和打者三个人在玩但运气成分较重 先发投手的状况主宰大半胜负
作者: kikielle (This song is over)   2011-03-01 17:47:00
棒球是主审主宰大半胜负
作者: MazdaRx7 (Boston Farmer)   2011-03-01 17:52:00
不要忽略捕手对棒球比赛的重要性
作者: zirca (竹枫)   2011-03-01 17:54:00
篮球是裁判主宰九成胜负
作者: StrangeFruit   2011-03-01 17:56:00
maxspeed150:可以问一下 棒球要怎么刷数据吗?Mark Eynolds:............................
作者: StrangeFruit   2011-03-01 17:57:00
Mark Reynolds:..........................
作者: poplc   2011-03-01 18:03:00
投手要故意刷胜投好像有个方法 别人先发四局 自己中继两局
作者: tigertiger (虎虎)   2011-03-01 18:03:00
棒球怎么刷数据? 一场差不多就4-5个PA 想多打都难
作者: lingjj (观察员)   2011-03-01 18:03:00
嗯 三振数确实很好刷 狂挥大棒就行了
作者: StarlinCastr   2011-03-01 18:04:00
工业风扇哥 这不叫刷数据 你例子举错了....
作者: tigertiger (虎虎)   2011-03-01 18:04:00
投手一季拿35次GS就很屌了 也是有极限
作者: poplc   2011-03-01 18:05:00
XDDDDDDDDDDDDD 刷三振还蛮屌的~~~这个的确简单
作者: ByMa (射手白马)   2011-03-01 18:12:00
能刷三振纪录但不被教练冰板凳的也不多吧...Reynolds表示:
作者: ByMa (射手白马)   2011-03-01 18:14:00
棒篮都有团队成分在,但是攻击上篮球比较有机会可以一人称霸
作者: ByMa (射手白马)   2011-03-01 18:15:00
只要你能一人打五人体力无限自干王,棒球就没办法了防守上篮球应该没人可以一人守五人,投手也许可以完投完封
作者: ByMa (射手白马)   2011-03-01 18:16:00
但防守还是要靠队友,即便能27K也得有捕手保证能接捕你的球
作者: tn1983   2011-03-01 18:16:00
可以解释一下 什么叫数据很好刷吗( ′-`)y-~
作者: ByMa (射手白马)   2011-03-01 18:29:00
我打2K10生涯投手技能点满没办法刷三振破单季纪录QQ...
作者: chigo520 (CHIGO)   2011-03-01 18:35:00
篮球可以靠一个人自干 棒球就算你在会轰都只有阳春砲打点也不会很多 而且篮球球可能都只会在几个人手上但棒球每个
作者: chigo520 (CHIGO)   2011-03-01 18:36:00
人分配到的机会都差不多 4棒打的次数还会比1棒少
作者: ByMa (射手白马)   2011-03-01 18:36:00
而且队友打击太弱,还会一直被闪躲甚至IBB
作者: wilson200106 (种子种子)   2011-03-01 18:48:00
等到NBA有IBB制度再来讲哪个比较偏个人吧...
作者: hiro1221 (Mistaken For Strangers)   2011-03-01 18:52:00
前面说刷数据的意思应该是,一堆打击三围数据好看的放进
作者: hiro1221 (Mistaken For Strangers)   2011-03-01 18:53:00
打线,不管怎样就是会打的比较好,但篮球找5个平均得分20分的球员放在球队里面,不一定会比较好
作者: Uncontinue (肮康梯纽)   2011-03-01 19:07:00
很简单啊 棒球每个人的机会都平均且较独立
作者: Uncontinue (肮康梯纽)   2011-03-01 19:08:00
而篮球就有球权分配和战术跑动等等因素有的人出手次数比较多 数据也会比较好看
作者: Uncontinue (肮康梯纽)   2011-03-01 19:09:00
而棒球就顶多前后棒次掩护问题会影响好坏球比率
作者: Uncontinue (肮康梯纽)   2011-03-01 19:10:00
实际上还是凭个人本事来击球 不会有包夹露人空档这种
作者: whalelover (哞哞哞哞王)   2011-03-01 19:11:00
棒球要轮一轮才能打一次啊
作者: Uncontinue (肮康梯纽)   2011-03-01 19:11:00
因为队友而赚到的绝佳空档 得分难易度大减
作者: Uncontinue (肮康梯纽)   2011-03-01 19:12:00
在平均分配的打击机会下你能够打出什么数据都是靠自己
作者: Uncontinue (肮康梯纽)   2011-03-01 19:13:00
很少有所谓的进攻机会被队友压缩而数据不好看的问题
作者: vf3 ( MJ Forever )   2011-03-01 19:59:00
无安打都可以输球了 所以棒球真的太多团队变量
作者: jerryklu (鲁凯)   2011-03-01 20:00:00
一朗表示:对不起,得分太少都是我自己跑太慢...
作者: Uncontinue (肮康梯纽)   2011-03-01 20:02:00
无安打输球是整个队上都烂 篮球输球可以怪谁出手太多
作者: Uncontinue (肮康梯纽)   2011-03-01 20:03:00
无安打输球还可以怪某某失误 但会输还是分数太少
作者: justloveaki (タケマ)   2011-03-01 20:11:00
9个KOBE
作者: maikxz (超级痛痛人)   2011-03-01 20:19:00
棒球九个可以线性叠加 篮球五个会有interaction 这样>///<?
作者: PlayStation3 (超级喜欢于小文)   2011-03-01 22:04:00
有啦,不遵守教练下达触击然后安打就是刷数据不顾团队的表现,不过仅限于国内职棒。
作者: Herlin (性感猪猪)   2011-03-01 23:46:00
棒球跟篮球也不是说哪种比较独, 而是分工方式不同

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