[闲聊] Blitz专文: Scarra & Dyrus 谈B/P

楼主: fkc (Mr. 男子汉)   2017-10-23 14:58:56
Scarra & Dyrus talk Worlds drafting on Misfits and TSM: "Parth wasn’t even
supposed to be the coach."
https://goo.gl/uRHrHv
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Blitz 的专文
Scarra 和 Dyrus 参加 TwitchCo 时,回答台下的提问
主要关于世界赛欧美战队 MSF 和 TSM 在赛场上的 B/P (即Drafting)
[节录略翻]
Scarra:
I’m probably the most qualified to [answer] this of the people here.
I was one of the main drafters on DIG and I helped do drafting and then got
helped on CLG as a coach. I also ended up doing a lot of the work for the
drafting on Delta Fox.
我大概是现场最能回答这个问题的人了
过去我是 DIG 主要的 BP 人员,并且担任过 CLG 教练进行类似的工作
最近一次则是帮助 Delta Fox 进行 BP 的工作
Pretty much, you don’t know. No one knows. On each team it could be the
coach does everything: the coach and the analyst make the thing and all the
players are like okay, we’ll just play this. On other teams, it’s like the
players get almost full choice. They wanna play this. It happens.
很多东西,人们并不知道。也没有人知道。
有些队伍,教练和分析师掌管一切,他们说了算;而选手也愿意配合并执行。
有些队伍,则是选手有全权的选择权。选手要玩这只! OK! 就决定是你了。
I actually talked to one of the Misfits managers and he told me that the way
Misfits does it is essentially Hussain, their head coach, as well as their
head analyst come together and make the draft. The players just say yes. That
’s it. They don’t have any disagreements on it. Whatever the coach does,
they play.
我曾经和MSF的经理聊过,他跟我聊到 MSF 的决策方针
主要来自于他们的总教练 (Head Coach) Hussain ,以及他们的首席分析师
他们两个全权负责 BP ,而选手就是"Say yes"去执行
中间没有任何的反对或者质疑
无论教练安排什么,选手负责比赛。
Every single team is different and honestly, on draft you work around a lot
of limitations. Maybe your player just sucks at this meta champ and he can
play the counter really well, so you just aim for that. Maybe you give up Sej
a lot and you play a really bad champion into it because you’re willing to
take a Tristana for that matchup, because that’s the best result you had in
scrims.
老实说,每支队伍都不一样;在 BP 面,都有各自不同的侷限存在
也许你的选手对于 Meta 角的掌握烂透了,但他能熟练相对应的康特角
那你就能依此来做战术的目标
也许你放掉史瓦妮,又选了一个烂透的角色,被史瓦妮噜在地上磨得亮晶晶
背后的原因,只是单单想要拿崔斯塔娜来走下路
这样选的理由?
因为这是你的队伍团练时,能打出最好结果的阵容了
So yes, constantly teams get outdrafted but the way I see it is, you can
always get a better draft. But as soon as the draft is locked into the game,
it doesn’t matter, draft is irrelevant. You can always win with a draft,
assuming you don’t get hard outdrafted, which rarely happens. So I think a
lot of people focus on the wrong things when they look at the competitive
draft. The draft happens and yes, one team may have gotten the better draft,
but usually one team loses because their execution sucks
所以,回答大家的疑问,是的,队伍的选角的确有失误、也有改善的空间
但是,一旦 BP 完成、进入游戏;BP 的一切都不再重要了
只要并非 BP 有严重失误,一切都还是有机会获胜的
总结来说,我认为很多人在看比赛时,把焦点放错地方了
BP 选出来了,是的,队伍也许能有更好的 BP 决策
但实际上,队伍会输掉
大部分都是源自于他们在比赛中的表现/执行烂透了
Dyrus:
I think it depends on player mindset, because if you respect the
coach, you’re going to agree easier, you’re going to agree on what
champions are good for the team. But if you don’t respect the coach, and
this is a problem with the League scene in my opinion, there’s not a lot of
very… a lot of people gave Parth flack on TSM, but the thing is, he wasn’t
even supposed to be the coach. He only stepped up because there’s no one
better. There’s not a lot of people out there.
关于 BP ,我认为与人的心态有关
假使你对教练保有敬意,那你对他的决定、选角也会更容易接受
反之,如果你队教练欠缺敬意......
就我个人意见而言,这也是现今 LOL 存在的问题
例如: TSM 的 Parth 遭到许多观众挞伐
但是事实上,Parth 压根不是来当教练的
他只是在 TSM 没有其他人可以担任这个职位时,挺身而出来负责这个工作
So when it comes to coaches, the players need to also respect the coach and
that’s where infrastructure comes in, because when the player doesn’t, if
the player has an ego or is really feeling strongly about their pick, they’
re always going to be like, what about this pick? It’ll just be a longer
conversation and you can only do so much in the time you have on stage if a
player feels differently. But the better they get along, the better the
drafts usually are. Players usually have the final say unless it’s the
infrastructure, from what I know anyways.
所以,当谈论到教练,选手需要去尊敬教练,这也是队伍的基础。
假使选手队教练缺乏敬意、自负,对自己的选角抱持坚持
事情就会变成:"选这只怎么样?",然后,开启超长时间的争论
但是,在比赛台上的有限时间之内
对于选手与教练的意见分歧,能做的事情并不多
经验来说,选手和教练之间越和睦,那 BP 的结果就越好
然而,就我所知,选手还是对 BP 拥有最后的决定权的
接着,现场提问 Scarra 和 Dyrus
询问他们认为现今北美最具执教能力教练是谁
结果,现场出现一段令人尴尬的沉默
(・ー・)(。ー。)........................
接着,两人回答这个问题
Scarra:
No one really knows what they do. Coach of the Split can just win
Coach of the Split because their team does well.
没有人实际知道每队教练各自到底负责哪些工作
"赛季最佳教练(Coach of the Split)"始终可以赢得"赛季最佳教练"这个头衔
只要他们的队伍赢就行了
I personally worked with Tony Gray, CLG’s coach. Think he’s fantastic. I
also think Parth is actually really, really good. He gets a lot of shit for
what he does, but he’s one of the best systems people I know, in terms of
coaching. From another NA only perspective, I’ve generally heard really good
things about Locodoco’s coaching.
我个人和 CLG 教练 Tony Gray 共事过。这个人非常杰出。
我也认为 Parth 实际上非常、非常的棒
他对于教练的工作付出了许多心力,他是我认识做教练、下决策,最有系统的人之一
透过其他人的转述,我听说 Locodoco 也是不错的教练
Other people I haven’t heard anything. And honestly, even if I did hear
them, without working with them specifically, it’s really difficult for me
to say. I think evaluating coaches is impossible, pretty much.
其他人,我则是没有接触
但老实讲,即使我听说这个人的表现,却未与其实际共事过
对我而言,去评价他的教练表现,非常困难
我想在这边去评价教练,是不大可能的。
Dyrus:
Basically, we don’t know.
基本上,我们不知道这问题的答案。
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#反观....
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作者: albert801020 (Han)   2017-10-23 15:04:00
其实跟卧龙凤雏和球球说的都差不多

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