[闲聊] Xj9师匠的野区心得

楼主: chuntien (chuntien)   2017-04-10 10:21:11
昨天似乎有偷偷开台
但我没follow 不过早上看到他发了这篇
how is league fun for you guys (assuming u play jungle) and even if not, I'd s
ay it still applies.
不管LOL对大家来说(假设你打JG)有不有趣
我觉这都适用
I can't have fun like I used to playing all kinds of different champs (vi/reks
ai/camille/nocturne/hecarim/zac/kindred/etc.) because the new jungle does too
much damage to do ganks after and/or other champions are miles ahead in terms
of strengths you can't pick them. These other champions aren't just junglers,
it's all the reworked bs champions.
我不能跟以前一样玩各种不同的英雄否放
(菲爱/雷珂煞/卡蜜儿/夜曲/赫克林/札克...等等以下略)
因为新野怪太痛了 根本无法跟其他能够领先你刷野的英雄一样去gank 所以不能选
这些能领先的jg英雄都是重制的拉机鬼扯狗角
Vi is shit because she literally lost 15 movement speed the past 3 seasons. Th
is effects farming times a ton. Also random attack speed nerf and shit just an
noying shes shit imo.
菲爱很烂因为他这三季以来就少了15跑速
这影响农野时间超多
还有几次的攻速nerf让他烂上加烂
Rek'sai constant nerfs, wrong nerfs but she's "ok" but the thing is she gets d
estroyed by top tier jungle champions like reksai/graves due to higher burst a
nd cloaking from khazix and graves just doing more damage to melee distance ch
ampions along with armor. Rek'sai also functions very well with chilling smite
but this season challenging smite is best a lot of the time due to the fact t
hat all these reworked champions can 100 - 0 you in a span of 3 seconds.at lvl
3-6.
袜掘机持续削弱,根本乱削但他其实还ok
不过还是被meta角打爆
像是卡力斯或葛砲 前者的高爆发、隐形和后者能对近战坦克造成更多伤害
雷珂煞很适合蓝重 但这季红重强很久了
这些重制过的英雄在3~6级时可以在三秒内变魔术把你变不见
Camille... Idk why the fuck they nerfed her so much. She was more of a late ga
me champion and they just kept nerfing her and now shes shit, probably shit in
lane now as well.
卡蜜儿...我不想管她妈为啥她一直被nerf
她以前后期更强 然后狂被nerf到现在像大便
可能在线上也是大便了
Nocturne idk, I haven't played him too much but he can do "ok" I guess but meh
. Need to test more.
夜曲不清楚
我还没玩很多 但他表现应该还ok吧阿灾 随便
需要更多测试
Zac is ok in new jungle but the thing is if enemy AD jungle builds maw you can
't do anything so lol gg you and your shit team you can't carry anymore.
札克在新野区过得还行
但对面的AD型JG出把魔提斯你就啥都不能干
所以厂厂GG囉你跟你的拉机队友
这只没得carry废物上分了
Hecarim is shit now. Been shit long time. Ever since trinity force change into
more nerfs. He was the best when trinity gave 20% crit but everyone thinks h
e got stronger due to the cdr when the trade off isn't worth and it was better
to take 15% cdr blues but people are brain dead. Has 0 late game potential, l
osses the late game now. I remember Hecarim used to be the late game champ, ri
p that now he's just a cheese ball gank bot champions wow clever jungling. I'm
very disappointed at peoples inability to see how strong Hecarim was all thos
e years when I played him and then people play him simply because of top lane
and then the trinity force change. So stupid, don't know the champion just a b
unch of idiots speaking like they know what's a buff and what isn't.
赫克林也是烂很久了
从三相被砍开始
20%爆击对人马才猛 但每个人都认为拿Cdr很棒
这根本是个鸟交换 而且以前蓝的CDR还15%
但大家不用脑
没爆击后期根本烂 我记得人马以前是后期英雄
Rip现在人马都只会1.gank下路 2.wow这jg很会
我对大家很失望 都不知道这些年来我玩他的时候人马多猛
然后比赛只会拿他打上路 接着3相被砍
超低能 一堆白痴不懂这英雄在那边说什么 ㄝ我知道什么是buff什么不是
Kindred is shit because she was designed to be good vs the old jungle but now
the new jungle is so cancer she needs to W 2 times to clear krugz/raptors thos
e camps are impossible for her lol. They need to make her shoot 8 arrows and d
eal 100% more damage to monsters because it takes too long.
镜爪很烂因为她被设计来打旧野区
现在新的很难打 她需要W两次来杀六鸟、双石 根本没办法吃
他需要射8只箭和对野怪造成200%伤害因为真的打太久了
New jungle too cancer. Nerf smite heal which only hurts junglers barely making
it through. Nerf spawn times which only makes less room for come backs and fo
rces you to go up against the enemies even though you are behind, instead of b
eing able to farm up to potentially come back ahead. No instead its linear dec
ision making of get lvl 3 or 4 and then just gank for 1-2 minutes and then do
some noobs camps and gank again meta. Instead of actually being tactical about
when to farm. And if you do choose to farm, you get fucking destroyed until y
ou finish your jungle item that you have to back and can't actually apply pres
sure. If you get counter jungled early and/or die you just lose the game usual
ly due to being too behind because the only champions that can actually counte
r jungle fast and have high hp are the highest tier junglers. Other junglers i
t's an actual risk counter jungling meanwhile these champions are full HP and
have many escapes. Why the fuck do they buff gromp/krugz for no reason? There
reason is "To make it more interesting. We want gromp to have the theme of "b
urst it to deal less damage" and krugz to be "kill the big one and the other o
nes do little damage" like wtf? Krugz got +20 or 30 damage to the big one and
gromp got fuck ton more damage. Why was this change needed? What did it accomp
lish? It just made junglers with no sustain or not as many strengths are top t
ier junglers get destroyed more. O and also the new jungle takes too fucking l
ong to clear. I remember back a season ago I was always a level ahead of my mi
d laner early and now I'm a level behind LOL.
新野区太雷 重击回血nerf只nerf到原本还勉强能过得去的英雄
Nerf冷却时间让你还击的空间变小
纵使你发育落后还是逼你去面对敌人
而不是先农到你能打
取而代之的是农到3或4等 花一到两分钟gank 然后吃个几摊 再来一次的meta
不能更有战术地决定何时要农
如果你决定要农 到JG道具做完之前你都没洨用 给不出压力
你被早期反野 可能还死了 就大概输了因为你发育落后
因为只有那些meta角能吃得快血线又维持得好
其他JG反野风险都很大
但meta角们能保持满血又有逃命技= =
嘴蟾蜍嘴石头 对排名前面跟后面的角色的差距拉更大
上季总是比对面高一等
这季都落后一等XDD
Top 5 junglers easily lee/khazix/rengar/graves/ivern. why?
前五名JG很容易就选出来
李星卡力斯狮子葛雷夫翠神
Lee/khazix/rengar can get lvl 3 easily doing easy camps and then just roam and
gank lanes and because it's solo Q even though you can ping "THE ENEMY JUNGLE
R IS THERE, DANGER" they will over extend and die and blame no wards even thou
gh you know they are there. So they thrive in this jungle where you get power
spikes and just roam around and don't actually need to jungle, avoiding the ca
ncer design entirely. Even if these champions had to kill krugz/gromp, they ca
n kill them pretty fucking fast. Tbh krugz are cancer they probably just avoid
them. Gromp is easy for khazix/rengar/lee to kill due to their abilities.
李星螳螂狮子3等很好做事 可以去gank
因为这是soloQ
你ping灯说 "敌人在这, 危险 "他们一样死给你看
他们会很容易到达强势期 变很肥
根本不用吃野怪所以不用受野区毒害
就算这些英雄得吃蟾蜍双石还是吃得他妈快
不过还是没啥人在吃石头啦太难吃
蟾蜍因为技能组的关系对这三只很简单
Graves can just kill every jungle camp in a matter of seconds and stay full hp
. He doesn't have to deal with gromp/krugz or any camps cancer damage and can
just jungle and apply pressure throughout. Also can deal 1500 damage in a span
of 3 seconds and has great item build paths for dueling.
葛雷夫可以很快吃掉每一摊 又维持好状态
他吃很快又能给压力也可以在3秒内打1500伤害还有灵活的干架出装
Ivern is biggest bs champions I've seen that contradicts riots whole design wi
th the new jungle. He clears camps in 1 second with smite whats the counter pl
ay to that? He doesn't have to deal with any bull shit the new jungle has to o
ffer, the "challenges" as riot puts it. Just instant kills everything or puts
that shit on them goes roams and ganks and goes back and gets massive experien
ce and gold instantly. He doesn't have to do any "decision making" clearing th
e jungle. Why the fuck does the jungle have to have "decision making". It's ju
st fucking kill the monsters. The champions I listed above's decision making i
s to out right ignore them or just do them when u are a lvl or two higher so t
hey deal no damage to you. Graves decision making is constantly kiting the ca
mp, no matter what it is, until it's dead. Again, what does making the camps r
ape junglers that don't have these things going for them? Nothing except make
the game more stale in the jungle.
翠神(埃尔文)是我看过最鬼扯的英雄 跟riot野区改动的理念根本矛盾了
他有重击一秒吃一摊 这杀小根本无法反制
他也不用被新野区荼毒
游走gank回来野区直接领一堆钱跟经验
不用做任何刷野顺序的决策 就是吃掉野怪就对了
上面列的那些英雄玩法在你等级比对面高的时候就随便啦
葛雷夫一直把野怪风筝到死
为啥这些强奸JG的野怪强奸不到这些角色勒 黑人问号
角色一成不变让新野区变得很没活力
Just disgusting this game is just barely jungle and just gank 24/7 and walk ar
ound and get lucky because people are stupid in solo Q and think you left when
a jungler playing one of these cheesy fuckers is just going to camp your lane
until they get a kill. O and don't get me started with the classic die and lo
se huge wave, tp to lane, die to jungler again play. That shit is great it rea
lly puts me in the mood to play league ROFL.
这游戏变得不农怪只要gank
Soloq 一堆智障 他们都以为你走了但你就很智障地一直蹲到杀到为止
别说啦 有的人死了 掉一大波兵 然后TP回线 再被JG蹲死
这很赞 会让我玩游戏心情很好 笑死
I'm just incredibly bored of this game. They nerf everything that I did in the
jungle to the point it isn't even viable anymore and all these champions the
masses play are just ignored and left to dominate. Jungle takes less and less
skill as the seasons go as long as you are playing the highest tier champions
at the time. All I play is Shyvana because she's the only champion that can ac
tually clear fast and stay at good hp after 1st clear and apply dragon/turret
pressure as well as have ult up a lot to do ganks. Just a good champion that a
ctually requires skill/thinking to do well, unlike other champions who have th
ese options up at all times and don't require any planning what so ever.
这游戏变得好无聊
他们把我以前的玩法都nerf到不能玩
玩meta角根本不用脑
我都骑龙女 因为他能农得快第一轮血线高能给塔/龙压力大绝可以gank
是个需要技术跟思考的好英雄
不像那些无脑角
后面在讲他实况的事
还吹了一波台湾人
RANT ABOUT MY STREAM
作者: longkiss0618 (剑舞北极)   2017-04-10 10:51:00
还我xj9= = 另外谢翻译
作者: souyouan5050 (Vin)   2017-04-10 12:01:00
翠三小

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