[情报] LMS专家Reazony, Clement Chu和Obscurica

楼主: jimmy5680 (不太会飞的企鹅)   2015-05-17 14:40:43
在萌萌的Clement的FB看到的:
http://on.fb.me/1Ho8ysm
theScoreeSports外媒访谈
内有我和前Machi分析Reazony、
以及长期在lolesports关注台湾比赛的Obscurica,
对于台湾英雄联盟电竞回顾和未来展望。
作者Kelsey Moser是我们很常在研究中国区会拜读的写手,
试着和国外的朋友解释AHQ的崛起。
虽然大家都知道我们主播赛评群没穿裤子...
但我想帮自己辩护一下。
LMS季后赛前一天要制作选手的名卡放在电脑前,
连络了AHQ,问他们谁是先发。
他们当时的答复是要先去行天宫拜个....才会回复。
我心想....哇,爆了啊。哪有前一天不知道谁上场的。
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只能说我这个老外低估了东方神秘力量。
原文:
http://www.thescoreesports.com/news/1801
LMS experts Reazony, Clement Chu and Obscurica talk about AHQ and the LMS'
rise
LMS专家Reazony、Clement Chu和Obscurica谈论AHQ和LMS的崛起
In 2012, there was a North American team called "A Picture of a Goose,"
famous for unique champion choices and pieces of a roster that would go on to
become Team Vulcun, but I didn't watch their stream for them.
在2012,有一支叫做"A Picture of a Goose"的北美队伍以特殊的英雄选择与阵型为人
所知,他们后来变成了Team Vulcun,但我当时没有看他们的实况。
I watched their stream for a Taiwanese AD Carry who went by the name of
bebeisadog. He played on 200 ping and would occasionally sub for their own AD
Carry player in scrims. He annihilated everyone on Tristana, which was the
champion he felt most comfortable playing on high ping. When Picture of a
Goose member Atlanta teased him about only playing Tristana, he switched to
Ezreal, a champion that would become known as his signature.
我看了一名叫做bebeisadog的台湾AD Carry的实况。他在200 ping的情况下玩且有时会在
团练时替补他们的AD Carry选手。他用崔斯塔娜歼灭了所有人,这是他认为在ping很高时
最得心应手的英雄。当Picture of a Goose的成员Atlanta嘲弄他只玩崔斯塔娜时,他改
玩伊泽瑞尔,一个后来成为他的标志的英雄。
When I learned that bebe played for a team called the Taipei Assassins in a
league format tournament in Southeast Asia, I was immediately interested. TPA
was plowing through their league and racking up double digits of kills on
almost every member. The bottom lane was my favorite. Mistake wasn't a
mechanical god, but his approach to playing Janna for peel was unique. Bebe,
I felt, could run circles around most AD Carries I had seen competing in
other regions.
当我得知bebe在一支叫做台北暗杀星的队伍中参加一个东南亚的联盟锦标赛事时,我立刻
被引起了兴趣。TPA当时正横扫他们的联赛并使每个成员都堆砌双位数的击杀数。下路是
我的最爱。Mistake并不是一个操作神手,但他为了阻隔而玩珍娜的想法很特别。我觉得
Bebe可以用虐爆我在其他地区看过的大多数AD Carry。
The Taiwanese region was one of my first loves in League of Legends outside
Fnatic and CLG. After TPA won the Season 2 World Championships, I continued
to follow the Garena Pro League, but there were obvious problems.
台湾地区是我在英雄联盟除去Fnatic和CLG外最早的心爱队伍之一。在TPA赢得第二季世界
冠军后,我持续追踪GPL,但那里显然有着问题。
The Taiwanese side was top heavy with teams like the Bangkok Titans from
Thailand losing nearly every game, the Singaporean teams wavering between
brilliance and humiliation, and Vietnam only making any kind of splash
because of a large LoL interest in their country. AHQ enjoyed a period of
strength, and TPA completely fell apart to form two teams, the Taipei Snipers
under Mistake and TPA under bebe.
台湾方面对于其他队伍过于沉重,来自泰国的曼谷巨人队几乎每场比赛都战败,新加坡队
伍在优秀与耻辱之间挣扎,而越南队伍仅能以国内对英雄联盟的庞大兴趣造成些波澜。
AHQ享有一定时期的强力,而TPA完全拆成两支队伍,由Mistake领军的台北狙击者和bebe
领军的TPA。
By the Season 3 World Championships, I had long since become more fascinated
by the Chinese LoL Pro League, but I still kept tabs on GPL. The Gama Bears,
now the yoe Flash Wolves, barely showed an ounce of competitiveness in the
quarterfinals by getting lambasted by tournament heroes, SK Telecom T1.
Mineski performed an upset over TPS to qualify as the second team from GPL,
and the Philippines team became fan favorites for their tragic likability and
go-lucky behavior in the face of continuous loss. Both teams dropped out
without winning a single game.
到了第三季世界大赛,我早已对中国的LOL高阶联赛更感兴趣,但我仍有在观察GPL。橘子
熊,也就是现在的闪电狼,仅稍微展现出些许竞争力即在准决赛被此次大赛的英雄SK
Telecom T1所痛击。Mineski在争夺GPL第二个名额时打败了TPS,而这支菲律宾队伍因为
面对持续失败时的悲剧性未来以及乐天知命的态度成为粉丝的最爱。两支队伍都没赢任何
一场比赛即遭淘汰。
<原文有误,请不要嘘我QQ>
The 2014 GPL Spring was the last split I would watch of GPL. TPA and TPS were
at their heights again, with AHQ finally taking third fiddle. AHQ's
aggression got easily punished by the more late game fighting style of TPA.
When they made an appearance at the Intel Extreme Masters World Championships
(but failed to perform outside taking a game from Gambit Gaming) I said
goodbye to the Taiwanese. I didn't watch a single game of 2014 GPL Summer or
the new League of Legends Master Series in 2015.
2014GPL春季联赛是我最后一次看GPL。TPA和TPS再次达到颠峰,而AHQ终于成为第三个竞
争者。AHQ的侵略性轻易被TPA的晚期战术风格所痛击。当他们在IEM世界大赛现身(但除了
取得一场对Gambit Gaming的胜利外缺乏表现)后,我对台湾队伍说了再见。我并没有看
2014夏季GPL联赛或新的2015LMS联赛的任何一场比赛。
Now, at two tournaments in a row, LMS teams have managed to escape the Group
Stage and take games from Western teams. They aren't able to compete with the
best, but they aren't obviously relegated to last place among the five major
regions.
现在,经过连续两场大赛,LMS队伍都成功从小组赛晋级且打赢西方队伍。他们还无法角
逐最佳,但他们与五大区域之末的相关性并不明显。
I've spent a long time away from the scene. When I last watched, they were
experimenting with Malphite support, bebe was still hard-carrying TPA and AHQ
was all about the pick synergy between Westdoor and Greentea. To track the
changes to AHQ and LMS as a whole, I consulted regional experts, Clement Chu,
multi-region team analyst and LMS caster, Chia "Reazony" Yu, ex-Machi eSports
coach and James "Obscurica" Chen, dedicated Taiwanese LoL scene journalist,
for insight.
我已经离开这地方很久了。我最后一次看的时候,他们正在实验墨菲特辅助,bebe正努力
支撑TPA,而AHQ完全在于西门和绿茶的连动。为了追寻AHQ和LMS整体的变动,我询问了该
区域的专家:多区域队伍分析师与LMS主播Clement Chu、前Machi eSports教练Chia “
Reasony” Yu、以及关注台湾英雄联盟情况的记者James “Obscurica” Chen的意见。
"Since [their] epic series against TPA in GPL Spring," Reazony began, "AHQ
stayed about the same for a long time while TPA grew. The scene did not have
any team that could stand up against AHQ and TPA." He refers to the 3-2 clash
between TPA and AHQ that resulted in a TPA win on the back of bebe's Kog'Maw.
TPS fell out of favor after that split due to the retirement of Mistake, the
team's captain.
“自从(他们)与TPA在GPL春季赛的史诗系列赛之后”Reasony开始说:“AHQ在TPA茁壮时
很长一段时间并无改变。这状态没有任何队伍能抗衡AHQ和TPA。”他指的是TPA和AHQ的
3-2对抗,该系列赛TPA靠着bebe的寇格魔获胜。TPS在该时间点之后因为队长Miskate的退
役而衰退。
By Reazony's account, AHQ and TPA seemed to grow complacent with no one to
challenge them, and AHQ in particular struggled with their roster. "From what
I know, GarnetDevil, [AHQ's AD Carry at the time], did not get along with
other members...during Worlds, Greentea even refused to duo with him."
根据Reasony的观察,AHQ和TPA似乎因为无人能挑战他们而开始停滞,AHQ更特别为他们的
阵容挣扎。“据我所知,黑牛(AHQ当时的ADC)与其他成员相处不甚融洽…在世界大赛时,
绿茶甚至拒绝和他双排。”
"Due to the non-competitive nature of the scene, AHQ could not improve much.
After TPA got Sim Sung Soo as their coach, the team became more secretive and
rather not scrim Taiwanese teams."
“基于无竞争力的环境,AHQ难以大有进步。在TPA以Sim Sung Soo挂帅后,该队伍更为隐
密化且不怎么与台湾队伍团练。”
It seems at this point, almost any team besides the Taipei Assassins could
not be considered top tier in the region. AHQ was even more isolated than
before, with no competition outside the GPL matches themselves. During the
GPL Summer playoffs, TPA took the finals against AHQ 3-0, but both teams
found a spot at the 2014 World Championships.
似乎在这时间点,几乎所有除去台北暗杀星的该区域队伍都不能被视为顶级。AHQ比过去
更为孤立,他们除了GPL没有任何比赛。在GPL夏季季后赛,TPA在总决赛3-0打败AHQ,但
两方都得到了2014世界大赛的门票。
When asked whether he thought AHQ's success against Edward Gaming at Worlds
was already indicative of an upward trend for the LMS, Reazony disagreed.
"During Worlds, AHQ actually had the luck that the patch suits their style,
and Westdoor could not be banned out," but "a single match meant much to the
team, though I saw it more as an underperformance from EDG."
当被问到他是否认为AHQ在世界大赛面对EDG的胜利已经象征著LMS的上升趋势时,Reazony
否决了。“在世界大赛中,AHQ事实上很幸运有着适合牠们风格的更新,且西门不能被ban
封锁,”但是“单一场比赛对于队伍来说意义重大,但我认为这和EDG的失常比较有关系
。”
AHQ didn't really begin to improve for the better until after Worlds.
According to Reazony, a major catalyst outside just the creation of the
all-Taiwanese LoL Master Series was HK Esports releasing its players. "The
organization had a whole bucket of talents to work it out, which included Ziv
and AN."
AHQ直至世界大赛结束后才开始进步。根据Reazony,对于即将创建的台湾LMS联赛相当重
要的一个催化剂是HK Esports释出选手。“该组织有一整篮的天赋可以运用,包含Ziv和
小安。”
Despite new talent coming to AHQ, their style remained very pick oriented,
which led to problems. "AHQ slowly lost its identity. Part of it was because
Westdoor's champion pool was restricted," Reazony claims. This would be the
turning point for AHQ, as they needed to find a new playstyle to compete in
Taiwan.
尽管新的天赋抵达AHQ,他们的风格仍然相当着重于选角,这导致了问题。“AHQ逐渐失去
了其定位。部分是因为西门的英雄池受到限制。”Reazony这么认为。这可能成为AHQ的转
捩点,因为他们亟需寻找新的风格以便在台湾竞争。
Clement Chu continued the story from where Reazony's involvement with the
scene left off. "Teams were figuring out that AHQ was always going to look
for jungle skirmish fights, and TPA and Flash Wolves were adjusting
accordingly. They had a dismal record against Top 3 teams, with two wins out
of nine games, one of them being a Flash Wolves forfeit."
Clement Chu接着离开的Reazony的故事说下去。“各队伍都厘清了AHQ永远会寻求野区的
小会战,而TPA和闪电狼也相对应的做了调整。他们面对前三队伍时有着惨淡的战绩,于
九场比赛中只赢了两场,其中一场还是因为闪电狼弃权。”
Toward the LMS Spring Playoffs, AHQ was still experimenting with their
roster. They hadn't decided on their playoffs lineup even one day before
their match against Hong Kong eSports. "We all thought that AHQ was doomed,"
Clement Chu emphasized. "They decided [on their roster] after visiting
Xingtian Temple." Xingtian Temple is a temple in Taiwan devoted to Guan Yu,
the patron god of businessmen.
接近LMS春季季后赛的时候,AHQ仍在实验阵容。他们直至面对HKES的前一天都尚未决定阵
容。“我们都认为AHQ完蛋了,”Clement Chu强调:“他们在参访行天宫之后才决定(阵
容)。”行天宫是台湾一个祭拜关羽的寺庙,他是商人的守护神。
In the playoffs, the patch once again went in Westdoor's favor. "A lot of
Westdoor's champions from Season 2 came back: Cho'Gath, Karthus, and TF,
namely. He also played his assassins in Fizz and Zed. Fizz, during the patch,
was a tank buster with %HP Damage, much higher than the current patch."
在季后赛中,更新再一次对西门有利。“很多西门在第二季的英雄回归:分别是科加斯、
卡尔瑟斯,以及TF。他也玩他的刺客如飞斯和劫,在这次更新中他们靠着生命趴数伤害克
制坦克,该数据比现在的更动还要高。”
The most significant change AHQ experienced, however, came in their
playstyle. AHQ began playing to protect AN with Albis as support, which had
never been the approach the team took with Greentea playing. This allowed AHQ
to become more of a team fighting squad than a skirmish-based team. Even
Westdoor would build Rylai's ove RoA on Karthus to help peel and have an
earlier power spike" for dragon fights.
然而AHQ最重要的改变在于他们的风格。AHQ开始用小夜夜当辅助来保护小安,当绿茶上场
时队伍从没有这种倾向。这使得AHQ开始比较像一支团战队伍而不是基于小冲突的队伍。
就连西门都会在玩卡尔瑟斯时运用瑞莱的冰晶节杖的范围效果以帮助阻隔且在龙战享有较
早期的威力。
"AN has always been a dominant laner," Clement said. AHQ "would not lane
swap, which meant they would win out the bot lane if there were 2v2s... and
would start rolling early dragons." By taking dragons so early, it "forced
the enemy team into dragon fights where AHQ would win."
“小安一直是一名宰制线上的选手,”Clement说:AHQ“不会换线,这代表他们能在二对
二时赢得下路…且会开始滚动早期小龙。”透过这么早就取得小龙,这“迫使敌对队伍参
加AHQ会赢得的小龙会战。”
AN wasn't the only factor that buffed AHQ's team fighting. Top lane tends to
be a weaker role in Taiwan, but "Ziv was statistically always the best top in
LMS: high damage contribution, massive champion pool." Clement believes in
particular at MSI, TSM banning Rumble suggested they didn't properly prepare
for AHQ, as that's the only meta top he doesn't really play.
小安并不是唯一一个增强AHQ团战的因素。上路在台湾倾向于较弱的角色,但“Ziv在数据
上永远是LMS最好的上路:高伤害贡献,庞大的英雄池。”Clement相信特别在MSI,TSM
ban掉蓝宝可能是因为他们并未完全准备好对付AHQ,因为那是他唯一不太会玩的meta上路
角。
From Reazony's and Clement's accounts, I still wasn't clear on whether or not
AHQ's showing at MSI was a sign of an upturn in regional performance. A lot
of AHQ's ability to even appear at MSI seemed circumstantial: the patch
favored Westdoor, they changed their roster nearly at the last minute for the
playoffs and the scene and talent sounded as unstable as ever in many regards.
从Reazony和Clement的描述,我仍不是很清楚AHQ在MSI的表现是否为一个区域表现上升中
的象征。很多AHQ在MSI曾展示的能力似乎很情境式:更新对西门有利,他们刚在季后赛前
夕改变了阵容且这情况与天赋听起来不管怎么看都很不稳定。
Looking for strategic improvements, when I watched AHQ split focus to siege
in MSI, I noticed differences in map pressure. During GPL in early 2014,
Taiwanese teams either over-focused early dragons or played the stall game
with grouped team fighting in late game. Split sieging was new.
寻找著战略上的进步,当我看到AHQ在MIS的分推逼塔时,我发现在地图压迫上的差别。在
2014年前半的GPL,台湾队伍若非过于着重早期小龙就是保守而多用后期团战。分推逼塔
是新的。
SK Telecom T1 was able to punish AHQ's failure to secure vision in these
manoeuvres and use it to come back, but TSM didn't exploit their strategy. In
this regard, the LMS teams looked to have made strides, but they still had a
long way to go.
SK Telecom T1有能力利用AHQ未能在机动中确保视野进行惩罚并逆转,但TSM未能拓展他
们的战略。在这情况下,LMS队伍看似已做出进步,但他们仍有很长的路要走。
The easy answer is in that splitting off from the rest of GPL to form their
own region, the LoL Master Series has been able to improve the level of
average competition they face daily. According to Obscurica, LMS journalist
who has written for lolesports, onGamers, and PC Gamer, "the entirety of the
regular season [in GPL] was pretty useless in terms of teaching [Taiwanese
teams] how to play under pressure.
简单的回答是自从剩余的GPL独立出自己的区域,LMS已经有能力提升平均的日常竞争水准
。根据已在lolesports、onGamers和PC Gamer写文章的LMS记者Obscurica,“整个(在
GPL)赛季在教授(台湾队伍)如何在压力下比赛方面相当无用。”
"Now, even Never Give Up and Midnight Sun give [top LMS teams] a little bit
of trouble to practice against." Obscurica spoke of the two bottom LMS teams
above Dream or Reality, the team that failed abysmally and failed to take a
single game in the league. Over time, they were able to improve and give a
much even playing field for AHQ, TPA and the Flash Wolves, who never seemed
to have adequate regional competition.
现在,就连Never Give Up和Midnight Sun都能给予(上层LMS队伍)练习对抗时一点困扰。
”Obscurica提及的是两支高于Dream of Reality的LMS底层队伍,该队伍一败涂地且于联
赛中未能取得一胜。经过时间淬炼,他们有能力进步且给予AHQ、TPA和闪电狼一个较平衡
的比赛环境,他们似乎从未拥有适当的区域竞争。
"Due to Korean coach and player imports," Obscurica continued, "they can
expand their practices to encompass extra-regional influences too to try to
get an edge on home soil. It'd be surprising if they didn't improve under
such conditions — though, yeah, AHQ exploding to the front like that caught
everybody with their pants down anyway."
“基于韩国教练和引进选手,”Obscurica继续说:“他们还能够拓展他们的练习去受到
区域外的影响,以尝试在故乡立足。如果他们在这种环境下不能进步我会感到惊讶─不过
,是啊,AHQ爆炸到眼前有如逮到所有人没穿裤子一样。”
Reazony agreed that increased competition is helping LMS improve, but he was
less optimistic. The Taiwanese "are not willing to cultivate players,"
Reazony said. "The reason why... [LMS], NA and EU are not advancing as much
is due to rapid change of rosters, including players and coaching staff. They
want a good player, good coach, right here, right now.
Reazony同意提升竞争力会帮助LMS进步,但他比较不那么乐观。台湾人“并不愿意培育选
手,”Reazony说:“(LMS、)NA和EU进步较少的原因是因为阵容的迅速改变,包含选手和
制服组。他们想要好选手、好教练,就在这里、就是现在。”
"It's like farming a forest, if you don't have the mindset of cultivating new
life, eventually the forest is going to dry up. The current rise of
competition from LMS...It'll stop next year."
“这就像是种植一座森林,如果你没有培育新生涯的决心,森林最后干涸。现在LMS正崛
起的竞争力…明年就会停止。”
Clement Chu painted perhaps the most optimistic picture of the LMS going
forward. "There's more foreign talent coming in (including GPL's sofm and
even more KR talent)...you get teams like Machi who have staff and Koreans
and AS, who is made up of Bebe and former players.
Clement Chu则画出可能最LMS此后最乐观的景象。“有更多外国的人才正在进入(包含GPL
的sofm和甚至更多韩国人才)…你得到像是Machi这样拥有后勤团队和由Bebe和其他前选手
组成的AS这些队伍。”
"In terms of finding rookies," Clement said, "I think the situation is likely
to improve with better collegiate and highschool tournaments. Participation
jumped over 60% this season; there are 3000 teams participating."
“提到寻找新人,”Clement说:“我觉得情况可能会因为更好的大专院校与中学赛事而
改善。参加比例这季高过了六成;有超过三千个队伍参与。”
One thing neither Reazony, Clement, nor Obscurica mentioned is that,
according to Mid-Season Invitational winners, Edward Gaming, AHQ was already
an occasional practice partner of the Chinese powerhouse. Clearlove had high
confidence going into the semifinals match against AHQ because their teams
knew each other well and had scrimmed a lot leading up to MSI. After the
semifinals, both teams agreed to meet each other again in the World
Championship finals.
一件Reazony、Clement和Obscurica都没有提到的事情是,根据MSI胜利者EDG所说,AHQ已
经是他们有时的练习对手。Clearlove在进入准决赛时有很高的信心对抗AHQ因为队伍熟知
彼此且在MSI之前团练很多。在准决赛后,两支队伍同意希望在世界大赛决算再次一决高
下。
With closer proximity to Korea and China, the Taiwanese teams have an
advantage to which North American and European teams are not privy. If
Chinese and Korean teams will agree to scrim Taiwanese, and it sounds like
some of the best will on occasion, they are exposed to the highest level of
competition League of Legends has to offer on a much more regular basis.
由于接近韩国和中国,台湾队伍有一个北美和欧洲队伍没有的优势。如果中国和韩国队伍
会同意和台湾队伍团练,而且听起来最好的几支有时会如此,他们就能更常暴露在最高层
级的英雄联盟竞争力之下。
Many players will say that it's one thing to watch a league like LCK and try
to adopt their strategies and another to play against them. If LMS teams can
make use of the latter advantage, we might see the Taiwanese, Hong Kong, and
Macau region teams rise up to become legitimate threats for the first time
since the glory days of the Taipei Assassins.
很多选手会说看一个像是LCK的联盟和尝试采纳他们的策略以及去抗衡他们是不同的事情
。如果LMS队伍可以运用后发的优势,我们可能可以看见台港澳地区队伍自从TPA的光荣时
代以来首次崛起成为正当的威胁。
Until then, successful patch-dependent performances by teams like AHQ will
continue to be unexpected.
直到那时候,仰赖更动的队伍如AHQ的成功表现会持续超乎预期。
好多喔QQ,待会会翻完。
翻译不好请见谅。
这篇看能不能钓到bebe? bebe最近好常出现在推文喔XD
作者: lucifiel1618 (Lucifiel)   2015-05-17 15:00:00
BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!BKT!
作者: poiu0987yaaa   2015-05-17 15:49:00
GPL误台湾队伍太深 在那边打两年成效远不如LMS一季
作者: Predrag26671 (这个人非常懒)   2015-05-17 15:56:00
原文满满的错误..商人的守护神跟商人会拜的神给人的感觉差很多
作者: EasyIsBeauty (业余新手)   2015-05-17 16:38:00
这篇很多小错

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