节录一些赛后讨论
其中有些提到了EU、NA赛区强度的检讨
也有讲到LMS赛区的改进使得TW队伍进步
[–]sasssoooo [分数隐藏] 34 minutes ago
taiwan has always been underrated, people called ahq's win vs edg at worlds a
fluke, and yoe beating sk an "upset". in reality, they haven't ever been
worse than na and eu at all lol (season 3 gama got skt and were boned,season
4 ahq got hardest group and tpa choked after good game 1).
台湾一直以来都被低估，大家一直说ahq很侥幸才赢下对edg的比赛，而yoe也是因为sk的
失常才获胜。
实际上，他们完全没有比na和eu差。
(S3时橘子熊遇到skt被淘汰，s4时ahq被分到最艰困的小组，而tpa在打完第一场好比赛之
后完全失常。)
[–]Khumalo_Neurochem [分数隐藏] 33 minutes ago
Crumbz did key on it, ahq just gets better as the tournament goes on. Tsm
doesn't seem to be making anywhere near the same level of adjustments.
Crumbz说到重点，ahq随着比赛进行越来越进入状况。
TSM似乎没有做出任何能够达到相同水平的调整。
[–]SkoutiOP [分数隐藏] 32 minutes ago
this one is for the people that though AHQ beating fnatic is an upset. :)
这场是给那些觉得ahq打败fnatic是因为fnc失常的人看的
[–]iciale [分数隐藏] 26 minutes ago
Hell yeah, AHQ so underrated coming in. I hate to see the western teams
getting hit so hard, but so happy that AHQ is showing up again.
喔耶！ahq刚开始是多么的被低估！我讨厌看到西方队伍被打得这么惨，但是也很开心ahq
再一次展现实力。
[–]SkoutiOP [分数隐藏] 22 minutes ago
I was chatting with my friends telling them AHQ will finish 3rd and they were
giving me so much shit.
Now they are silent.
我告诉我朋友ahq将会得到第三名，结果被他们笑到爆。
现在他们沉默了。
[–]iciale [分数隐藏] 20 minutes ago
That's it, that's what i like to hear :)
[–]careslol [分数隐藏] 32 minutes ago
Taiwan has been underrated prior to S2 worlds. Taiwan has been still
underrated after TPA won S2.
台湾在S2之前曾经被低估，在S2拿到冠军后还是被低估。
[–]brodhi[Toxic Salt] (NA) [分数隐藏] 32 minutes ago
I think people view Taiwan as a weaker region because they have never
replicated their success since TPA. No Taiwanese team has came into Worlds
and shown such a mastery of the game and sheer skill of play that TPA showed
at S2 WC.
Taiwan is a strong region, they just have not showed up at Worlds for 2 years
in a row.
我想大家觉得台湾是个比较弱的区域是因为他们没能复制TPA的成功。在S2的TPA之后，没
有一个台湾队伍能够在世界舞台展现出统治力和技术。
台湾是个厉害的区域，他们只是没能在过去两年中表现自己罢了。
[–]iciale [分数隐藏] 30 minutes ago
They haven't been given the best chances to show up honestly imo. TPA choked
in groups last year yeah, but AHQ took a game from EDG in a hard as fuck
group for them to get out of. Gama Bears in s3 was meh because Taiwan only
got 1 worlds bid and it went to a team that wasn't probably the best in the
region, but performed an amazing loser's bracket gauntlet in regionals. Gama
Bears also had to face SKT too, further hurting chances to get anywhere lol
我觉得他们从来没有得到表现自己的好机会。TPA去年失常，不过AHQ在极难出线的小组中
从EDG手上拿下一胜。S3的橘子熊的话表现普普通通，因为台湾只拿到一个队伍的代表权
而这个队伍甚至不是他们区域最好的。不过他们在地区资格赛中来了个惊人的大反攻。
‧ [–]Blauwvinger [分数隐藏] 32 minutes ago
I would call group C harder than group A last Worlds, but you still make some
valid points. Most of it seems to just be AHQ being really strong though
我会觉得去年的世界赛中，C组比A组更艰困。不过你还是点出了一些关键。AHQ实力就真
的很强。
[–]AnEternalSkeptic [分数隐藏] 31 minutes ago
People have been saying it since season 2 worlds my friend...
Taiwan shares many strengths with China - strong skirmish and team fight play
and good ad carry players. Biggest issue is their lack of rotation play which
really hampered their growth
大家从S2就有在讲…
台湾跟中国有很多相似的优点──强大的团战能力以及良好的adc玩家。而他们最大的问
题是缺乏轮转换线，导致发育受到阻碍。
[–]ErectNips6969 [分数隐藏] 31 minutes ago
I hear Taiwan did pretty good in Season 2 World Championship too!
[–]36105097 [分数隐藏] 30 minutes ago
At some point, people have to acknowledge that mechanics do matter alot.
某些方面来说，你们得承认操作上的差异影响很多。
[–]Nergral [分数隐藏] 27 minutes ago
making the LMS really really stepped up the level of play for those teams,
since the competition lvl wasnt nearly as close as it is right now, just look
at SEA right now struggling @ WC tournament... s3 SEA top teams were bad, s4
they were ok BUT they were slightly behind others (as it could've been seen
in their games , they wouldnt get shat on and it took quite an effort to win
against them but they mostly just didnt have enough to actually win)
自从LMS中的队伍实力相近之后，LMS的水准进步很多。看看SEA赛区在WC tournament
中的表现，s3的SEA前几名队伍真的很差，s4就还可以，然而他们还是稍微落后其他赛
区。
[–]HULKHULK91 [分数隐藏] 26 minutes ago
I agree with you. Taiwan region is really underrated. Teams like AHQ, YOE or
TPA would be nr1 in Eu or NA
我同意。台湾赛区真的被低估了。AHQ、YOE、TPA在EU或NA都可以成为第一名的队伍。
(HKE:咦?)
[–]InfiniteMaoi [分数隐藏] 26 minutes ago
My personal opinion is that LMS deserve 3 spots at worlds , from s3 till now
LMS as a region got rly strong and looks much much better than both EU and NA
. As an EU resident im quite sad about EUs games so far but this needs to be
"punished" by taking away 1 worlds spot for both EU and NA as a wake up call.
我个人觉得LMS值得在世界赛中拥有三个席次。
从S3至今，LMS区域成为一个很强的区域，而且看起来比EU和NA强多了。
身为一个欧洲人，我对于EU的队伍至今为止的表现很失望。我觉得为了让EU和NA的队伍醒
觉，我们必须要拿掉EU和NA各一个世界赛席次做为惩罚。
[–]NaexiQ [分数隐藏] 26 minutes ago
They aren't a bad region by any means but the power difference in the games
we've seen shouldn't be this big.
他们从来都不是一个差劲的地区。但是我们也不该在比赛中看到这么大的实力落差。
[–]oioioi9537 [分数隐藏] 26 minutes ago
Yeah, it seems as though since all stars last year, Taiwan has really stepped
up. im actually super impressed by ahq this tournament, i think greentea's
retirement and move to analyst helped them a lot
看来在去年的all star之后，台湾真的努力进步了。我真的对于ahq这次的表现印象深刻
，我想绿茶退居幕后担任分析师对他们帮助很大。
[–]Divinicus1st [分数隐藏] 33 minutes ago
Hopefully, TSM is so far ahead of NA, NA chances have never been so high
[–]DystopiaX [分数隐藏] 32 minutes ago
it's sad that TSM is far and away the best team in NA and they get stomped by
asian teams this hard.
令人难过的是TSM在NA是遥遥领先的最强队伍，但是他们被亚洲队伍打爆了。
[–]Redhawk1230 [分数隐藏] 27 minutes ago
I just don't get it man, remember AHQ was the team that got bodyslammed by
EDG, that means EDG and SKT are just so ahead of the EU and NA teams now
since AHQ can convincily beat both of them.
Its the same rinse and repeat everyyear "asian teams so weak, NA can be a
contender for worlds"
我不明白啊！我还记得ahq之前被EDG屌打，这表示EDG和SKT遥遥领先EU和NA。因为AHQ同
样屌打EU和NA。
然而我们每年都这样说：“亚洲队很弱，NA放眼全世界还是很有竞争力。”
[–]DystopiaX [分数隐藏] 25 minutes ago
EDG and SKT are far ahead of EU/NA teams, anyone who thought otherwise was
fooling themselves/didn't actually watch LCK/LPL at all.
That being said though I think EDG and SKT are ahead of their own regions by
a significant margin as well, part of the false hope business is that TSM
beat mid-tier Asian teams. So I think realistically TSM is around mid-tier if
they were to play in Korea/China.
EDG和SKT遥遥领先欧美队伍。任何不这么认为的人都是在自欺欺人或者是从来没看过LCK
和LPL。
然而我觉得EDG和SKT在他们各自的赛区还是极其顶尖，我们或许可以幻想TSM能击败亚洲
中段的队伍吧。
所以我觉得TSM假如放在韩国/中国赛区大概有中段队伍的实力。
[–]Redhawk1230 [分数隐藏] 18 minutes ago
Yeah, but i actually bought into the Tsm hype thinking they could take some
games or EDG/SKT
Not a really big tsm fan but boy even i was disappointed
我曾经相信TSM可能可以击败EDG/SKT。
虽然不是个TSM超级粉丝，我还是挺失望的。
[–]DystopiaX [分数隐藏] 16 minutes ago
I think people thought TSM were a lot better than they actually were because
they were playing against other NA teams, while EDG/SKT were playing against
China/KR teams. So you see TSM clean wins and stomps and EDG/SKT winning but
not much more convincingly than TSM and you think they have a chance, until
you realize that part of that is the leagues EDG/SKT are playing in are so
much better.
我想大家是因为TSM击败了NA其他队伍才觉得他们是一个比实际上还要厉害许多的强队。
然而EDG/SKT也击败了中国和韩国所有队伍。
所以当你看到TSM轻松屌打其他队伍，而EDG/SKT没像TSM那么轻松获胜时，你会觉得TSM有
机会，直到你发现这是因为EDG/SKT所在的区域强很多。
[–]PsykeSC [分数隐藏] 31 minutes ago
And it was the case during the season, but they have truly been playing
horrible so far in MSI.
而且这是在赛季中的时候，他们在MSI真的打得很烂。