Fw: [专栏] 格林看不到的价值:投射烂却影响冠军赛

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标题: [专栏] 格林看不到的价值:投射烂却影响冠军赛
时间: Fri Oct 9 00:23:00 2020
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Danny Green's invisible value: How the third-highest paid Laker has impacted
NBA Finals amid a shooting slump
丹尼绿看不到的价值:在投射超烂的情况下湖人的第三高薪球员如何影响总冠军赛
Death, taxes and Danny Green shooting slumps. They are the three
inevitabilities of life, and for the "glass half full" crowd, they come with
more optimistic opposites. Death is only the end result of life. The more you
make, the more you're taxed. And Green's slumps only stick out because his
hot streaks are so blistering. Toronto's championship run was a perfect
example. Green went 4-for-23 from behind the arc in the Eastern Conference
finals... and then started the NBA Finals 11-of-22 and all was forgiven.
Green's shot comes and goes.
死亡、缴税、格林爆跌的命中率,他们是生活中三个无法避免的事情。对于装满半杯水的
人们来说,事情总有乐观的一面(剩半杯或是有半杯)。死亡是生命的结束,你赚的越多
,你付越多税,格林的爆烂很显著因为他的起伏是多么的强烈。暴龙夺冠的过程是最好的
例子。格林在东冠投23中4,但在总冠军赛投22中11,之前的事都可以被原谅了,格林的
投射来来去去的。
It hasn't in the bubble. Green is sitting at 33 percent for the postseason,
and with only one game remaining before a potential championship, it's
looking like his typical eruption isn't coming. Yet Frank Vogel hasn't taken
him out of the starting lineup even once. Neither did Nick Nurse a year ago,
or Gregg Popovich in any of his last six postseason runs in San Antonio. Some
of that is trust. Some of it is blind hope of regression. But mostly, three
of the best coaches in the NBA have all come to the same correct conclusion:
Danny Green still impacts games positively even when his shot isn't falling.
但在泡泡圈内这并没有发生,格林在季后赛的命中率只有33%,在可能只剩一场比赛的情
况下,看起来他典型的爆发并不会来到(会不会被打脸啊?)。但是我哥从来都没有把他
移出先发,去年的护士也是一样,甚至在波波执教下待六年的马刺也是。有些是信任,有
些是盲目的希望数据会回归平均值。但至少,三个NBA最棒的教练都得到了一样且正确的
结论:就算射的很烂,格林仍然正面的影响着比赛
The numbers bear that out for the Lakers. They have outscored opponents by
148 points in Green's 476 playoff minutes and have been outscored by 14 in
the 436 minutes he's sat out. The obvious explanation for this is that he is
still an excellent defensive player independent of his own shooting, yet most
of this gap comes on offense. The Lakers are scoring 121.5 points per 100
possessions with Green on the floor in the postseason and 107.5 without him.
Lakers fans frustrated with his nearly-$15 million salary have run through
the entire laundry list of possible excuses for that from "he still has
gravity even when his shots aren't falling" to "he plays most of his minutes
with LeBron James and Anthony Davis" to "it's just blind shooting luck in his
lineups," but the far simpler answer here is that Green is just an enormously
intelligent basketball player.
数字可以证明,在格林上场的476分钟,湖人胜过对手148分,在他待在场下的436分钟,
湖人输了14分。最明显的解释是不管他的投射如何,他都是一位优秀的防守者,但其实最
大的差异在于进攻。格林在场上的时候,湖人每百回合可以得到121.5分,但格林在场下
的时候,每百回合只能得到107.5分。受够他1500万年薪的湖人球迷已经用尽了所有的藉
口像是:"就算他射的很烂,他还是可以吸引防守"、"他大部分的时候都跟姆斯和戴维斯
一起在场上"到"他就是赛啦!",但最简单的答案是格林是非常有智慧的球员
Basketball IQ tends to be ascribed to ball-handlers. It's easy to watch Rajon
Rondo dissect a defense in pick-and-roll and marvel at his brilliance, but
the label shouldn't be so limited. Shooting, in Green's case, is the
byproduct of the dozens of little things that make him such a special role
player whether or not those shots go in. Game 4 of the NBA Finals provided a
number of worthwhile examples.
篮球智商通常会归功于持球者。我们很容易看到软豆利用挡拆撕裂防守然后赞叹他的聪明
,但标签不应该这么的侷限。在格林的例子中,很多小事情使他变成一个特别的球员,不
管他能不能投进,投射只是这些事情的副产品。第四场比赛就提供了很多的例子
Selling the screen
LeBron is one of the NBA's preeminent switch-hunters, and Duncan Robinson has
been his prey of choice in the Finals. The method is simple: whoever Robinson
is guarding screens for LeBron, which forces Robinson to switch onto LeBron.
Miami's defense is so concerned with mitigating the damage of such a switch
that they lost track of the simplest switch-busting tactic in basketball:
slipping.
姆斯是NBA最著名的点名王,而石佛上将是他的猎物之一。方法很简单,任何守DR守的
人去帮姆斯单挡,强迫DR去守詹姆斯。热火的防守很在意这样换防的破坏导致他们忘了
最简单破换防的技巧:溜走
A lazy slip is a predictable slip, but nothing about Green's acting job here
is lazy. He comes from the opposite corner seemingly to screen for James, and
sells the idea of that screen to Robinson masterfully with a quick, tiny
little jump stop in front of Jimmy Butler. Robinson switches, but immediately
following that stop, he continues into the corner before making serious
contact with Butler. Butler, therefore, doesn't register the switch, and
Green gets a wide-open 3-pointer from the corner.
懒堕的滑溜是可以预测的,但格林做的事一点都不懒。他从对方的角落过来,看似要帮姆
斯单挡,并且很熟练的利用一个小跳到吉巴前面来让DR认为格林是要帮挡。DR换防了
,但格林在停下来后,马上在跟吉巴接触前往角落跑去,所以吉巴并没有注意到要换防,
而格林得到一个非常大的三分空档
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HeavyForsakenFoxterrier-mobile.mp4
Green punished the Heat for their expectations, goading Robinson into a
switch that wasn't necessary in order to free himself for easy points. Most
players slip too early. Some players oversell the screen. But nuance is
Green's specialty, and he isn't the sole beneficiary of those veteran tricks.
格林利用热火的预期来惩罚热火,诱导上将做不必要的换防来让他自己自由。大部分的球
员太早溜走了,有些球员挡过头了。
Peek-a-boo and the art of off-ball movement
捉迷藏和无球移动的艺术
Green spends a lot of his time in the corner. Many role players do. He starts
this play like most others, waiting there for the action to potentially reach
him. Eventually, it does. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope runs a loop around the
court, and Bam Adebayo chases him. But watch what happens when Caldwell-Pope
gets to the baseline. Green quickly shuffles out of the corner and behind
Tyler Herro, obstructing Adebayo's vision of him. He then immediately pops
back out from behind Herro once Caldwell-Pope has passed for a surprise
screen on Adebayo, which takes him off of Caldwell-Pope.
格林花了很多的时间在角落,就像其他的角色球员一样,等待着可能行动的时机到来。
KCP绕着球场一圈,阿爹追着他,但KCP到底线后格林看到了,马上躲到Herro的后面,让
阿爹不要注意到他,之后他突然跳出来帮KCP挡住了阿爹。(樱木是用这个骗犯规)
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GenerousAcademicCirriped-mobile.mp4
It's the role player equivalent of White Goodman's patented peek-a-boo
attack, but its impact is much subtler. The hard screen forces Adebayo off of
Caldwell-Pope and into the corner on Green. Despite his best efforts, that
functionally takes Miami's best defender out of the play, which turns into a
dunk for Davis that he couldn't contest because of Green's gravity.
这样的影响是很微妙的,这个单挡迫使阿爹远离KCP来防守格林,尽管阿爹很努力了,这
一招让热火最好的防守者无法参与防守,因为得要守格林的三分,这也导致他无法守AD的
灌篮
Green quietly punked Adebayo again a bit later, and just as before, the move
was subtle. Bam winds up in the corner on Green, and as Davis drives, Green
gives Adebayo a nice little tap on the back, as if to say "don't worry big
fella, I'm right here, you can leave me alone and creep towards the basket."
It buys him a split second of freedom to launch the 3.
格林之后又默默的搞了阿爹一次,就跟之后一样,动作非常的细微。阿爹在角落守着格林
,戴维斯准备要切,格林到阿爹的背后拍了一下,仿佛在跟阿爹说:"别担心啦~我就在
这里,你可以不用管我,专心的往篮框看就好了",之后他就回到角落得到了空档三分的
机会
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BowedDistantHornbill-mobile.mp4
Adebayo was a Second-Team All-Defense forward this season. Few wings have
gotten the better of him. Green did in the second quarter of Game 4 through
little more than veteran guile. He has plenty of that on defense as well.
阿爹是防守第二队,很少有人防守比他好,但格林在第二节却很多诡计骗了他。除了进攻
,在防守上也有很多招式。
His lightning-quick, ambidextrous hands
他的手非常快,左右双撇子
Green revealed in an interview during his rookie year that he is
ambidextrous, but nobody paid it much mind because he barely dribbles. Where
it has come into play, though, is on defense. Green is not just comfortable
swiping with either hand, but can do so at almost any angle. One of his Game
4 steals came as he chased Herro, reached around his body and poked the ball
out from behind with his right hand for the two easiest points of the night.
格林菜鸟时期曾经说他是双撇子,但没有人注意到它因为他几乎都不运球。但在防守的时
候,却可以看到他的使用。格林不仅可以舒适的左右换手,更可以在任何的角度这样做。
在他追着英雄的时候,他用他的右手把球给拍掉,轻松得到两分。
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KeyVengefulFawn-mobile.mp4
He very nearly came up with another steal from behind, this time with his
left hand while side-shuffling over a screen.
他几乎又再抄到一球,这次他利用绕过单挡的时候,用了他的左手拨掉球
Green has lost a step with age and a hip injury has nagged him during the
postseason, but he remains a valuable defender in large part because of how
he can use his length. Green tied for the Laker lead in deflections per game
during the regular season, and even if he gets beaten off of the dribble more
than he used to, he still affects jump-shooters even after chasing them
around the court.
格林虽然因为年纪和受伤失去了一点速度,他然后是非常有价值的防守,因为他有长度。
格林每场比赛把球偏移的数量是湖人最多,就算他被过了,他也常常追着射手,并且影响
他们的投射
It speaks to one of Green's best traits, something that has shown up in all
of these clips: his spatial awareness. Green uses and manipulates his
position on the court as well as practically any off-ball player in
basketball, and he does it on both sides of the ball. It is part of what sets
him apart from his more traditional 3-and-D contemporaries. He doesn't need
to hit his 3's to provide value.
格林最棒的特色就是他的空间感,以上影片所展示的进攻和防守都来自于此。所以即使他
投不进三分,他仍然比传统的3D球员有价值
In a sense, that could be viewed as the mantra for this entire Laker team.
They are about to win a championship in the highest-volume 3-point shooting
season of all time despite taking the 23rd-most 3-pointers per game in
basketball. Their stars drive that contrarian approach, but their role
players support it, perhaps none more so than Green, the shooter that doesn't
need to shoot.
在NBA史上三分最多的球季,尽管湖人的三分投射量联盟第23名,但他们快要拿到冠军了
。他们的球星违反而联盟的趋势,但他们的角色球员支持着它,或许没有人做的比格林更
多,一个不需要射的射手。
心得:
其实DG真的是在很多细节做得很好
虽然有投射不稳/上篮放枪/体能衰退的问题,但是他是很好的角色球员
以湖人的现状来说,其实像他这种球员几乎算是绝配了
虽然我还是希望他赶快变回圣堂......
作者: LuckyoPuppy (LuckyPuppy)   2020-10-09 08:52:00
G4说真的还行啦,但也不到圣光
作者: LBJKO   2020-10-09 09:28:00
他防守细节做的很好 但进攻很可惜就是铁 加上身上多处伤痛很拼了
作者: L1ON (Fake)   2020-10-09 09:29:00
认同
作者: hajimels (阿一)   2020-10-09 09:44:00
每次说DG跑位跟防守还在, 都被说是在护航耶, 还以为这篇会被嘘成X lol
作者: matsuwu (BboyFan)   2020-10-09 10:03:00
G4真的打的很ok了DG最可惜的真的是超级会跑空档,但是投不进
作者: arthurkot (KOT)   2020-10-09 11:35:00
我还是看不懂为什么这样值1500万,以不进攻的角色球员而言这根本顶薪了吧。
作者: on32 (onon(b))   2020-10-09 11:44:00
因为没人可以签了 都被快艇抢走后面不是都是综艺团咖 JR 魔兽 服务生 RR
作者: liang850409 (打开死亡笔记本)   2020-10-09 12:04:00
问题本来就不大 真的就是有点贵而已 不如那些钱给豆
作者: azazazaz (LIANG)   2020-10-09 12:21:00
灵气逼人
作者: hajimels (阿一)   2020-10-09 12:37:00
1500万那时最适的人选只剩DG了,看球队签人,不能只看钱和表现,要看当下时空整体有没有其他选择
作者: matsuwu (BboyFan)   2020-10-09 12:49:00
签人真的要看当时时空背景,有时候不拉高一点根本也签不到当时一些好用年轻3D,例如新人王,都开季前两天全签完了
作者: SULICon (監工小學徒(〞︶〝*))   2020-10-09 13:09:00
当时是Danny Green 等湖人,否则他就要去独行侠了客观来说湖人的报价是优于独行侠的 36M/3Y,不过当时若是Green 没加入湖人所代表的涵意是 Kawhi Leonard 加入了湖人
作者: spko (天道者/é­š)   2020-10-09 13:33:00
Kawhi = Green + KCP + McGee + Cousins然后Cousins受伤变成了Dwight,就这样思考好了 XD
作者: woodyyyy   2020-10-09 13:35:00
签他真的是逼不得已啊,他也没有多烂啊...就是贵了点,只是在季初也没其他选择了,DG也知道自己对LAKERS的吸引力还在,湖人需要他,价钱自然拉高罢了
作者: civic8   2020-10-09 13:42:00
拿到冠军后1500万就值得了
作者: cblade (cblade)   2020-10-09 13:42:00
就没有更好的选择
作者: freemannn (FreeMan)   2020-10-09 13:56:00
DG骰归骰,但说真的,他的三分大空档机会莫名的多
作者: SULICon (監工小學徒(〞︶〝*))   2020-10-09 13:56:00
哪有什么逼不得已.....
作者: baigyatsh (想吃黑鲔鱼)   2020-10-09 14:23:00
叫green的宿命?
作者: x851221 (SuperDog)   2020-10-09 14:29:00
签DG的时候还没到逼不得已啦 当初他就跟KL说好一人一队只是没想到DG退化这么快 空档完全投不进 逼不得已是KL这王八蛋一直拖一直拖 确定不来时已经没啥人了
作者: spko (天道者/é­š)   2020-10-09 14:44:00
这叫"备案",什么逼不得已....Pelinka的备案就是Green + KCP,可能再加上AB这样三个人合力吃下Kawhi一尊超巨可能带来的绩效
作者: elviscarter (模仿游戏)   2020-10-09 14:48:00
DG很会跑位 v.s DG对手放投
作者: dgq75148 (DL)   2020-10-09 14:57:00
即使季后赛命中率比较低 我觉得不能否定整个赛季的表现
作者: ERIKATokyo (ERIKA)   2020-10-09 14:57:00
可惜季后赛少一个AB的防守
作者: tliu223 (滿嘴荒唐言 一把辛酸淚)   2020-10-09 15:02:00
角色球员只要合同不长,溢点价就关系不太大其实Green主要是总决赛大暴投(可能有伤病影响),不然前三轮36%的命中率也算不错了连两年总冠军的教练都不是傻子啦XD
作者: cblade (cblade)   2020-10-09 15:20:00
DG不就是等湖人PLAB B,你那个时间没更好的选择拉...更好的选择你也要出的起至少目前来看,今年很成功就是,希望稳稳拿下总冠就好
作者: LABOYS (洛城浪子)   2020-10-09 15:23:00
差点连下限都填不了,你还要拜托他拿1500 XD
作者: cblade (cblade)   2020-10-09 15:25:00
PLAN B 打错了XD
作者: allssddaa (屌炸天)   2020-10-09 16:34:00
另一方面湖人如果没有先跟他谈1500 他可能就不等去领独的1200了
作者: qwqwqqw (qwqwqqw)   2020-10-09 16:44:00
因为很多人对圣堂的期待是 他在马刺时期的投射水准啊再想到2016年JR季后赛三分接近5成 圣堂被骂真的刚好而已
作者: Solid4 (Pedot)   2020-10-09 17:13:00
帮回顾一下,DG签下都7/6了的样子,开市是6/30
作者: cblade (cblade)   2020-10-09 17:52:00
在马刺季后赛3分也是有一年没一年的只能看未来有没有机会骰到6了..
作者: SilenceWFL (小綠)   2020-10-09 18:28:00
认真看了一下马刺时期跟湖人的投篮状态 他在湖人明显对不上进攻节奏 出手感觉都不太对另外体能的衰退导致他投篮不像以前一样轻松
作者: babyface1977 (风小呆)   2020-10-09 18:33:00
他跑位好,所以看到空档多
楼主: LakersDlo (我湖万岁)   2020-10-09 18:35:00
Green也是身体跟不上头脑的范例吧XD快攻结果不会上篮、大空档结果投不进XDDDD
作者: SilenceWFL (小綠)   2020-10-09 18:48:00
他的投篮属于two-motion 本来就比较吃下盘力量,再者他非常依靠手腕的弹性出手 因此只要节奏不对就不会进
作者: Joey1999 (JOEY23)   2020-10-09 19:30:00
DG如果明天可以投进两颗就值了,拜托
作者: Deathclaw (EL=彦堂)   2020-10-09 19:50:00
DG明天能继续保持Final以来的高+-就够了 赢球就好 XD
作者: nhfish (头鱼)   2020-10-09 20:08:00
他在马刺后期也是投不进被某些刺迷嫌得很惨阿
作者: SULICon (監工小學徒(〞︶〝*))   2020-10-09 20:26:00
其实是他自己的问题,不论是从“数据”上来看,或是他“个人访谈”中所表示,他比较习惯pull up jumper而不是wide open他说wide open他觉得压力比较大
作者: kuoshenghsu (威廉)   2020-10-09 20:29:00
wide open 反而不准 XD
作者: LABOYS (洛城浪子)   2020-10-09 20:35:00
叫他自己带人型立牌上场
作者: ken720331 (肯)   2020-10-09 20:40:00
有人守超准所以大家干脆不鸟他了
作者: gigiii1134 (水课)   2020-10-09 20:43:00
如果能签新人王当然优先呀,可是plan BCDE都秒消失
作者: ken720331 (肯)   2020-10-09 21:04:00
可爱战术GET
作者: matsuwu (BboyFan)   2020-10-09 22:12:00
明天3分打铁0-4 但是正负值+30 也是很ok的他不会投wide open但是缺超级会跑出大空档,这技能树真的点太歪了lol
作者: cblade (cblade)   2020-10-09 22:18:00
希望DG明天三分骰六 爆发一场赢球就值了..
作者: tliu223 (滿嘴荒唐言 一把辛酸淚)   2020-10-09 22:22:00
别说到六了,到四估计都能赢了XD
作者: SULICon (監工小學徒(〞︶〝*))   2020-10-09 23:39:00
这个季后赛wide open命中率 34.1% ,一般open shot 则是37%以上数据是三分球的部分
作者: kkb512sk (James)   2020-10-10 00:08:00
只比伤前萝卜好些萝卜至少还能底线吃饼
作者: gigiii1134 (水课)   2020-10-10 00:55:00
大概是他以前的跑位能力在马刺刚好能跑出小空挡但搭上LBJ后空挡就变得大到不习惯...
作者: BignoZe (BignoZe)   2020-10-10 02:29:00
DG很ok 防守好 就是伤势影响了投篮 但整体数据也没多差
作者: liyolai (恋爱一颗心)   2020-10-10 02:50:00
只要你懂绿、绿就会帮你!
作者: JeremyKSKGA (GIANTS!!!)   2020-10-10 08:27:00
Danny Green加油
作者: cblade (cblade)   2020-10-10 14:28:00
骰到六就赢了 是不是...
作者: jerryyuan (一堆没用的酸民)   2020-10-10 17:00:00
出手一直犹豫就输了
作者: originbook (大家好 我是淡淡)   2020-10-11 00:37:00
DG的防守跟跑位是有价值的

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