[情报] Reddit翻译:金卡比普通卡更弱的证明

楼主: pride829 (竹鼠)   2014-05-28 04:39:57
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WARNING: This is purely theoretical and Amaz might not get it <3.
警告:这完全是理论上的而且Amaz可能没办法理解喔<3
Hello gentlemen, I have an interesting scenario to discuss with you guys!
Take this with a grain of salt, it does not matter much in practice.
嗨大家,我有个有趣的理论想跟各位讨论一下!多少看一下吧,这对实际情况影响不大。
I will argue that there exists a golden card which is weaker than its normal
counterpart. That is, having this golden card in your deck, instead of the
normal version, produces no additional advantage (obviously) but may (rarely)
actually add a disadvantage to your play. Say whaaat?
我提出的论点是金卡是有可能比普通卡更弱的。也就是说,有金卡在你的牌组里面,而
非普通卡,对你(显然)没有好处但(罕见的情况下)有可能会对造成不利。为什么呢?
Thoughtsteal.
思想窃取。
Point: playing two versions of the same card, one being gold and the other
being normal, could give you a disadvantage. Consider a Shaman versus Priest
match, where the priest uses a normal Thoughtsteal to obtain a golden Hex. A
few turns later, the shaman plays a regular Hex. The conclusion is that the
shaman must have two Hex cards in his deck. This may or may not matter, but
it's certainly important because many decks (I suppose) run things like 1
Hex, 1 Flamestrike, 1 Faceless...
重点:同时使用一张卡片的两种版本,金卡跟普通卡,会造成负面的影响。设想一个傻满
对上牧师,而牧师用一张普通思想窃取偷到了一张金色的青蛙。几回合之后,萨满使用了
一张普通的青蛙。结论是萨满在牌组中一定有两张妖术。这或许不会造成影响,但(我认
为)这是很重要的因为很多牌组里面只有一张妖术,一张烈焰风暴,一张无面…
Edit: Don't focus too much on whether Shamans actually use 2x Hex or not. The
argument applies for any non-legendary card which is often used with a single
copy. This changes with the meta-game.
编辑:就别管说到底有多少傻满会放两张青蛙了。这个论点适用于任何你通常只放一张的
非传说卡。这些会随着meta变动。
Edit: This point can be proved in many other ways, such as returning a golden
minion to your hand and playing its normal version later
编辑:在其他方面也会有影响,例如说将一张金色手下返回至手上并在之后打出普通颜色
的同样手下
In the very end-game, you could actually win the game by knowing that your
opponent holds, for instance, a second Flamestrike.
在游戏后期,你真的可以靠得知你对手手上还有什么来获胜,例如说,第二张烈焰风暴。
The conclusion is that running both non-golden/golden versions of the same
card gives additional information to your (priest) opponent! It can confirm
that you are running more than one copy of a certain card!
结论是在牌组内同时放入金卡与非金卡会给你的(牧师)对手额外的资讯!他可以确定你
的某张卡片在牌组里面有一张以上!
Okay but wait, this only proves that you should NOT PLAY both non-golden and
golden versions of a card. How does this prove that a golden card can be
WEAKER than its normal counterpart?
好吧。不过等等,这只能证明你不应该同时放入金卡与非金卡。怎么证明说金卡是比普通
卡还要弱的呢?
Golden Thoughtsteal. Huh, why?
金色思想窃取。蛤,为何?
Golden Thoughtsteal is UNABLE to distinguish between your opponent's
non-golden and golden cards because Golden Thoughtsteal always turns the
stolen cards into their golden version.
金色的思想窃取无法分辨你的对手的卡片是否金色因为它偷到的一定是金色版本。
This means that Golden Thoughtsteal cannot give us the additional information
that the regular Thoughtsteal is able to. There is no reason, aside from
liking shiny cards, to use a Golden Thoughtsteal in your deck instead of a
regular one.
这表示说金色思想窃取没办法给你普通思想窃取可以给你的额外的资讯。没有理由去使用
金色思想窃取而不是普通的偷牌 ,除非你喜欢卡片亮晶晶。
Regular Thoughtsteal has the ability to differentiate between two "versions"
of the same card. "Version" refers to whether it is golden or not
普通的思想窃取有能力可以区分同样卡片的"版本"。"版本"取决于它是否为金色
CONCLUSION 1: (theoretically) Do not play both regular and golden versions of
the same card.
结论1:(理论上)不要同时在牌组内放入一张卡片的金色和普通版本。
CONCLUSION 2: (theoretically) Do not play golden thoughtsteal.
结论2:(理论上)不要使用金色的思想窃取。
Edit: The same probably applies to golden Mindgames and Mind Vision
编辑:这大概也可以应用在金色的心理游戏跟心灵幻象上
Edit 2: Front page! Bring on all the hacks!
编辑2:我上首页啦!放马过来吧骇客们!(不懂作者为何要说这句)
Edit 3: This is a known issue in games like Magic: The Gathering, but I find
it unique that the problem arises in Hearthstone. Cards should not be
distinguishable, but using their "gold status" they might be. Furthermore, it
is unique in the sense that using "better" cards gives you a disadvantage
编辑3:这在魔法风云会中是广为人知的议题,不过在炉石中倒还未被人所提及。卡片不
应该是可以被分辨的,不过用"金色版本"的话就可能可以被分辨。除此之外,使用
"比较好"的卡片反而会有缺点也满特别的。
Edit 4: People are arguing whether regular thought steal can give you golden
cards. I'd argue any person who played priest for a while would have
experienced the opposite
编辑4:人们争论著普通思想窃取是否能给你金卡。我怀疑那些菜牧师到底打过几场活人
Edit 5: Amaz is no logician
编辑5:Amaz不懂逻辑
Edit 6: To all of you who do not get it, be open minded and think for a
moment. Clearly, a lot of people understand this
编辑6:对那些看不懂的人,敞开心胸仔细想想吧。很显然大部分人都理解了。
(其实这想法不难理解,不过作者不知道为何要加入一大堆废话)

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