http://tinyurl.com/l9dy6ph
On the antlers of a dilemma
...Students occupying parliament have resorted to undemocratic
means, and many of the arguments they and the DPP make about the
trade agreement are specious....
...学生占领议会是反民主的，而且学生和民进党关于贸易协议的诉求
都是刻意误导...
其他部分大概就是在描述大肠花的形成背景。主要是认为马的亲中政策让
某些人产生疑虑。才会在台湾产生回响。至于对带头人的评价，人家已经
讲得很清楚囉。(摊手
整篇里面除了这段都没有价值判断，负面意见也是引用DPP的发言。这些人
真的可以洗洗睡了。
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THE fresh-faced good looks have been lined and drawn by the cares
of office. His immaculate English is forsaken for the dignity of
immaculate Mandarin. Patient replies to questions come wearily, as
if said many times before. Yet, six years into his presidency, Ma
Ying-jeou’s hair remains as lush and jet-black as any Chinese
Politburo member’s. And, speaking in the presidential palace in
Taipei, he remains as unwilling as any leader in Beijing to admit
to any fundamental flaws in strategy.
Perhaps Mr Ma draws inspiration from his portrait of Sun Yat-sen,
founder of his ruling party, the Kuomintang (KMT), and, in 1912,
of the Republic of China to which Taiwan’s government still owes
its name. Sun is revered as a nationalist hero not just by the KMT
but, across the Taiwan Strait, by the Chinese Communist Party
too. Mr Ma may also hope to be feted on both sides of the strait—
in his case as a leader responsible for a historic rapprochement.
For now, however, reconciliation between Taiwan and China remains
distant. And Mr Ma, once the KMT’s most popular politician, is
taunted by opponents as the “9% president”, a reference to his
approval ratings in opinion polls last autumn.
Economic integration
Improving relations with China has been the central theme of his
administration, after the tensions of eight years of rule by the
Democratic Progressive Party (DPP), which leans towards declaring
formal independence from the mainland. Mr Ma can boast of 21
agreements signed with China. He reels off the numbers of two
fast-integrating economies: a tenfold increase in six years in
mainland tourists to Taiwan, to 2.85m in 2013; cross-strait
flights from none at all to 118 every day; two-way trade,
including with Hong Kong, up to $160 billion a year.
China’s strategy to reabsorb Taiwan is plain. As the island’s
economy becomes more intertwined with that of the vast mainland,
China thinks, resistance to unification will wane. Then Taiwan
becomes an “autonomous” part of China—like Hong Kong, though
allowed its own army. Taiwan will return to the motherland without
resort to the missiles and increasingly powerful armed forces
ranged against it. But as Mr Ma sees it, cross-strait “
rapprochement” is a first line of defence against Chinese
aggression, since “a unilateral move by the mainland to change
the status quo by non-peaceful means would come at a dear price”.
Politics in Taiwan is framed as a debate about independence or
unification but is really about preserving the status quo.
The next step in rapprochement with China would be a meeting
between political leaders. In February in Nanjing, once the
capital of a KMT government of all China, ministers from China and
Taiwan held their first formal meeting since 1949. Mr Ma hoped to
meet China’s president, Xi Jinping, in Beijing this November, at
the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation (APEC) summit. To
accommodate Hong Kong and Taiwan, APEC’s members are not “
countries” but “economies”. So Mr Xi and Mr Ma could meet as “
economic leaders”, sidestepping the tricky protocol that usually
dogs relations, with China viewing Taiwan as a mere province. The
Chinese demurred. But Mr Ma thinks a meeting somewhere is “not
outside the realm of possibility”.
This backdrop explains why a protest movement against a
services-trade agreement with the mainland is more than a little
local difficulty for Mr Ma. Students occupying parliament have
resorted to undemocratic means, and many of the arguments they and
the DPP make about the trade agreement are specious. But they
have tapped a vein of popular mistrust of Mr Ma and of economic
integration with the mainland. A split persists between native
Taiwanese, on the island for generations, and mainlanders, like Mr
Ma, whose families came over as the KMT lost the civil war in the
1940s. Protesters portray Mr Ma as either a mainland stooge or as
clueless and out of touch. In the occupied parliament, student
caricatures give him antlers, a reference to a slip he once made
when he appeared to suggest that the deer-antlers used in Chinese
medicine were in fact hair from the animal’s ears.
Mr Ma says public opinion supports a “Ma-Xi” summit. Joseph Wu
of the DPP, however, claims such a meeting would actually damage
the KMT in the next presidential election, due in 2016; rather, he
says, Mr Ma is trying to leave a personal legacy. The DPP’s lead
in the polls alarms not just the Chinese government but also
America, which could do without another flare-up in a dangerous
region. The stronger China grows, the more Taiwan’s security
depends on commitments from America. It switched diplomatic
recognition to Beijing in 1979, but Congress then passed a law
obliging it to help Taiwan defend itself.
All political lives end…
Mr Ma says relations with America are better than they have ever
been at least since 1979 and perhaps before. Others are doubtful.
In all the talk of America’s “pivot” to Asia, its promises to
Taiwan are rarely mentioned. Many in Taiwan paid attention when
John Mearsheimer, an American academic, suggested in the National
Interest, a policy journal, that there is “a reasonable chance
American policymakers will eventually conclude that it makes good
strategic sense to abandon Taiwan and to allow China to coerce it
into accepting unification.” For some, abandonment is a fact of
life and unification a matter of time. “No one is on our side
strategically, diplomatically, politically; we have to count on
China’s goodwill,” an academic in Taipei argues.
Mr Ma has tried to steer what seems a sensible middle course
between such defeatism and the adventurism of those in the DPP who
would like to confront and challenge China. But he sounds weary
with the effort, and Taiwan’s people seem weary of him. Their
pragmatism and the DPP’s internecine strife may yet see them
elect another KMT president in 2016. But if Mr Ma hoped to leave
office with cross-strait relations stabilised, and with his own
role as an historic peacemaker recognised on both sides and around
the world, he seems likely to be disappointed.

吱:经济学人统媒不可信

马帮伯出处欸 不能提了 统媒还是党工阿

speciou翻成华而不实比较有味道啊…呵呵

吱吱:经济学仁是统没 党工 开始肉搜

吱:经济学人是中共同路人,不可信

（大笑）

经济学人下去领500

BBC中文网为近社论也是差不多立场 只是再补充现在民调很差的马英九继续让这件事发酵对他执政更不利

经济学人被国民党收买了

可是八卦版现在还有一篇经济学人鹿茸文欸

就是同一篇啊。

puec2能不能贴全文? 我已经达到economist一周三次上限，没办法看..Orz原文就好

感激！

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原文连结

怒肉蒐经济学人

(但明明以往都是说经济学人是大陆打手的捏......)

英国美国的民主素养比不上我们台湾人

人民占领立院是主流民意

经济学生讲得很清楚啦，这就是反中。

通篇就是冷嘲热讽啊 在嘲讽我们的总统跟学运的不切实际

肉蒐经济学人XD

帮人肉

水啦!

马帮博国际认证！(咦?

经济学人又黑了 问题是前面那篇讲马帮博的其实也是隐喻暗讽

暗讽没关系，我比较在意的是外国主流媒体怎样看待主事的学生。其实我们很少看到外媒用"反民主"去批评抗议活动..

PPP超越日英(+1) 学生反民主(+1) 马帮博(-1) 总分大于1就是党工无误

反民主已经是很严重的指控了。

其实我们很少看到外媒用"反民主"去批评抗议活动XD

通常是政敌之间会批评对方反民主，这次经济学人出来直接用

就是党工嘛(吱

抓到了! 经济学人编辑是党工 下去领500!

自然是反民主 明明没有力筹码却提出政府等同无条件投降的要求

undemocratic,太明显,不民主,经济学人骂的好

经济学人黑了

但现在那批人无赖般的行为 既要糖吃又不肯付代价 跨丢鬼!

一个例子是形容缅甸国会，另一个例子是形容埃及军政府XD

职业垃圾学生

太阳花学匪 = 缅甸国会 = 埃及军政府

就说是反民主运动，倒退50年，一群暴民...

现在看到为什么说马英九是笨蛋的理由了吧这种情况都还放任乱搞 当然是笨蛋

要是欧美日元首早下令镇压

马到底可不可以下令进攻立院?

不行。国会就是王金平最大，王金平要调动军队保卫国会都可以

今天好多新闻 有江宜桦讲话 有王金平讲话 没看到版友贴

原来国会是治外法权(误)

就是不行啊 倒阁案去年也玩过了 不然干嘛学生进去占?

后面那段说 学生操作大家对马不信任和恐中

国外看得清清楚楚 为什么这些学生就是不懂

哪里是不懂 本来就是反马跟反中

笑死人 你确定那句话是经济学人在下判断?这是和马英九专访之后写出来的文章 讲的都是马的观点以及

诉诸非民主的手段 楼上看不懂厚

经济学人这一篇相当的中立 指出马的观点的同时 也说出学生

标题都跟你说是反中了 还在扯马XD

.....

老爱来精神胜利法...

你去花果山跳这个针吧..

精神胜利法 老招了

把学生视为反民主什么时候不是马的观点了XD

有人不看文章就在造谣

真的当人家都看不懂英文，结果只能出丑

吱吱可以不要这么反智好吗 这样很难理性讨论

八卦版翻译完全漏掉那句话...各种露下线阿

八X版超反智的 XD

八卦版就一群人窝在一起取暖啊 只看该版真的会觉得国家要灭亡了

故意漏掉 真的是无脑到这样了吗?

我才怀疑你懂英文吗 不切实际和刻意误导?

本来想整篇翻，但太难了..Orz

使用"非民主手段"和"是反民主"的?

战不了其他的要战specious这个字吗

诉诸非民主手段不是反民主不然是啥XDD

就好像吱吱 诉诸非智能手段 的确是反智

他意思大概是说用非民主手段来达成他的民(进党做)主吧？

所以埃及跟缅甸军政府都会使用非民主手段，没什么嘛

你不是不懂 只不过是因为你对这篇文章下的前提:我想看出外

前题跟非民主手段是两回事 柯柯

不管啦!!! 你一定不懂英文(指)

specious英英字典(Dr.Eye)的定义：superfically plausible,but actually wrong

媒对于学生运动的"价值判断" 而无视这篇文章点题写马拒绝承认错误

superficially:浅薄的。plausible:貌似有理的

but actually wrong，这就不用我翻译了

这两者又不冲突，而且你前面战点不是这个喔~发现战不下去？

他要说前题对就不是反民主啦 凹不下去了XD

打错，是superficially

他前面先说这是马英九观点，再来说英文程度有问题，非民主手段不等于反民主，最后开始战刻意忽略...

#1JBdVFpm 3/23 五天前我就说了：等学生学会谦卑，低头自省，自会看见被践踏的民主

318 32字箴言：“既不民主，又无法治”

有看完有推，那句话还蛮重的。

看来吱又跑了（拎着爆米花离开

我一直很纳闷，明明就是反民主，还好意思到各国媒体

哈哈 这篇超搞笑 乱翻成这样竟然有人还有人大推

哈哈哈 下面余英时痛打经济学人脸?

不管华而不实还是似是而非，总之就是错误嘛，承认很难吗

同一个英文。正常人和猴群看的居然会有差异XD

宣传取暖，我真的是看得很难过...

请先查查 undemocratic means之前的词组 resort to sth.

resort to我刚有查，请看例句

学生诉诸非民主手段，怎么了吗？

RESORT TO事很简单的词组 柯柯

然后什么时候 specious可以翻成刻意误导了 它前面的名词也不是啥学生跟民进党的诉求....

诉诸非民主的手段

resort to sth: to do something you DONOT WANT to do

because you cannot find any other way of achieving

..........

民进党与学生制造的争论很多是specious的，有问题？

翻诉求是不太对，但是还是轻微的指责语气阿

我觉得你还是去战作者比较快

你这样说，难道就没做了吗？做了就是做了。

还在想undemocratic怎么翻吗？XDDDDDDDDDD

文章下面可以回应 去战作者吧 别在这搞笑

"被迫用不民主的手段"

I大这话跟他那前提说不是一样XDD

被迫应该是 forced to. 谁force了？

敢引用全文 却只翻两句还是曲解文意照自己的想像翻 XDDD

应该是被恐中逼迫的

“诉诸不民主的手段”

又来跳针秀下限..

战作者比较快 XDDDD

讲"forced to"就有价值判断在里面了，可惜人家是用

谁跟你说resort to就是被强迫的 不要自己乱翻好吗XD

不要再为了香焦出卖你的灵魂了...

还有specious对的就是argument，你知道形容词字句吗？

我IBT阅读只有28不敢讲话...

其实我有更好的翻法可以帮学生解套，但是我要先征mac pro

然后原PO引用的第二句之后有一个大大的BUT 原PO直接无视

，征到再说。XDDDDD

太阳花吱会崩说他们虽然不民主但是有正当性...

真的 香蕉真的有这么好 值得出卖自己的智商吗

太阳吱早就承认自己不民主了 干吗帮他们护航XDD

难怪学生会怕服贸 因为他们真的没时么竞争力

那个but给人的感觉是虽然这样做看起来很烂，但还是有效果

每次跑来政黑争辩都被打脸...

我也不知道为什么原PO不翻那个but...

那句就是在说反马跟反中啊 标题就说了今天不承认自己就是反中的事学生

"但是他们掌握了社会对马英九以及中国的不信任"

意思大概是利用了反马&反中的情绪所以得到共鸣 有错吗?

这只是描述事实啊。(摊手

不要只看到but就高潮好不好XD 断章取义的是谁

那句根本不影响全文

这句不是在帮学生辩护好吗? 看到but就很开心orz

我有点担心你考英文阅读测验时的分数耶

BUT要看他后面写什么 他已为BUT=否定 XD

这边的but以中文而言应该是然而这样的转折语气

在这里帮KMT的英文都不太好?

整段只看得懂but, 还可以讨论得这么开心…

讨论英文又扯上KMT 这次不跳针改成放大绝?

请那个抓到but就高潮的回来继续讲

可能在复习形容词子句跟转折语气

那些说别人英文不好的来指正啊 怕你不敢

英文老师大概都去立院外静坐了 难怪要到政黑板讨教

说别人英文差结果一个屁野放不出来

他们英文大概只懂三个单字　1.K 2.M 3.T

这大概就是有知识有学问的学生和林飞帆所要的“光荣”

还有姚立民、教授一票知识份子所要的“光荣的公民不服从”

Merriam Webster关于specious的解释falsely appearing to be

fair, just, or right; appearing to be true but actuallyfalse

OALD解释比较精简:seeming right or true but actually

wrong or false

基本上这篇文章重点不在那段...是在马英九面临的两难

那一段是台湾目前价值观争议的重点

现在是有人不承认自己反中 柯柯

抓到了,经济学人是统没

反中不是问题，问题在占立法院重伤民主

人家说自己是被逼得XD

是啊 你要反中反美反日关我屁事 凭什么占我的立法院？

闲聊一鉴，un-算是not，a或anti才是agaist，undemocratic我

因为说自己反中就没正当性了 当然死不承认

没仔细去查，印象中是这样

非民主手段太嗷口了。英文有很多东西其实你要全翻的话，就不像中文了。

specious = 似是而非

似是而非，这词好

好像在跟你谈服贸其实并不完全是<<<这样?

许多学生与DPP针对贸易协议提出的诉求都是似是而非的

经济学人撰稿者八成不懂学生在抗争什么因为程序、法律都与经济无关，他写进去也没意义

而且这次抗争的确跟服贸的经济内容毫无关系

讲不过就说经济学人不懂 当初BUMBLER怎不这么说呢XD

是鸡排那位T大吗?

跟经济内容毫无关系? 你确定吗XD

唉呀，政黑要多了个鸡排哥了这下...

经济学人一直婊马啊