Re: [问卦] reddit:同情台湾小孩,缺乏童年不像小孩(文长)

楼主: s90011 (只要有争议,大声就搞定)   2023-04-25 10:23:34
※ 引述《usnavyseal (usmarine2008)》之铭言:
: https://tinyurl.com/2s492h44
: 在reddit 台湾版看到
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: Recently started teaching English to kill time. But damn I do feel sympathy
: for Taiwanese kids.
: 最近开始教英文来打发时间,但该死的,我同情台湾的孩童
:
: During a class activity, I asked them to write a dairy/journal.
: They wrote things they dont believe in Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus. They wrote
: they prefer to play with their dog because parents dont care about them.
: Then, there is the Taiwanese education system, which makes them memorize
: things instead of expanding their imagination. After school they have to go
: to cram school and study till 9 Do they even get a childhood?
: I first started teaching cause I was bored, but now I find myself giving my
: all to make it fun for them and giving chocolate for the ones who do well.
: I wish Taiwanese culture could let children be children a bit more.
: My opinion could be a come from a naive/arrogant view as I never lived a
: harsh childhood like these kids.
: Edit: I will clarify chocolate for those who do well, not as in academically
: but as in a way for them to talk more instead. They get points for enjoyment
: and make different takes on answers. Each participation gives a point, and
: they get the candy over certain points, etc...
: Edit 2: No, I am not from a family that believes in Christmas or Santa
: clause. They were used as an example for kids not knowing good holidays.
: Yeah, you guys and have lunar new year, but kids get loads of useless
: homework over that time.
: Edit 3: I know my naivete. I have a degree in aviation. I fly planes, not
: here to teach. I originally came here for my gf, and yes. I am well aware I
: came from a very blessed life compared to most. Thats why in my class, I try
: not to discipline harshly but make them understand why they are wrong
: instead. I was beaten a lot as a kid, and I would never want the same for
: future children.
: Edit 4: I am not oblivious that this only happens in Taiwan, but since atm my
: experience is here hence the topic. it's generally linked to Asian cultures.
: Edit 5: I am not white. I am of Asian descent. I understand my naivety, I am
: just ranting. As in my childhood, even though moved overseas, I experienced
: something similar to what many asian kids go through.
: 在课上,我让他们写日记
: 他们写下,不相信牙仙或是圣诞老人
: (编辑2:我来自不相信圣诞老人的家庭,只是用这个当作例子,过年期间,孩童
: 有一堆作业)
: 他们宁可跟他们的狗玩,因为父母不在乎他们
: 再来是台湾的教育制度,与其让他们发挥想像力,他们得死记硬背
: 放学后,他们要去上补习班到9点
: 他们有过童年吗
:
: 我一开始开始教书,因为我很无聊,但我发现自己尽力地让孩童们觉得有趣
: 给表现好的人巧克力
: (编辑1: 不是只给功课好的人,是希望他们多讲些话,课上参与可以得到分数)
: 我希望台湾的文化可以让孩童更像孩童一点
: (编辑4:我知道这不只发生在台湾,但因为我现在在台湾,所以这个话题跟亚洲有关)
: 我的观点可能来来自一个傲慢/天真的人,因为我从来没有像那些孩童一样
: 经历严酷的童年
: (编辑3:我知道我很天真,我有航空的学位,我开飞机,不是专职在教学
: 来是因为我女友的关系,我也知道跟其他人比,我来自一个比较美好的家庭
: 因为我以前也被打过,所以我尽量他们有爱的教育,希望不要再经历过类似的)
: 编辑5:我也不是白人,我有亚洲血统,我知道我的天真,我只是在抱怨
: 虽然我的童年在海外,却也跟亚洲孩童经历过的相似
:
: 网友回复,选4个最热门的
: 第1个留言
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: I went through that childhood. I can understand my parents. They simply don’
: t want me to be left behind. So they overcorrect, I started writing
: characters in kindergarten and could read a lot of kid’s science
: illustration books by then. I started learning English since 1st grade most
: didn’t start until junior high or 4th grade. And they heard “everyone” was
: learning piano so naturally they wanted me to take those lessons but
: elementary me said firmly no (don’t know why).
: I will not let my children go through that. But I also hear a lot of parents
: had my sentiment but once their kids begin junior high, it becomes harder to
: keep that sentiment.
: I do believe though, what parents can do is not to stuff materials down kids
: ’ throat. I would strive to teach them good life habits that will not go out
: of fashion, how to deal with emotions, how to listen and communicate, etc. I
: hope I can impart enough of my experience so that they can deal with any
: obstacle, have passion and enjoy life.
: 我经历过类似的童年,我可以理解我的父母,他们不希望我进度落后,所以会过度矫正
: 幼稚园时,我开始会写字,可以读很多科学绘本,到了一年级,我开始学英文,而多数人
: 是到国中或四年级才开始。当他们发现“大家”都在学钢琴是他们也希望我学,但不知
: 为何,才国小的我坚定地拒绝了
: 我不会让我的小孩经历我的童年,我听说很多父母跟我有相同的想法,但一旦小孩上了
: 国中,越来越难保有初衷
: 我仍然相信,父母能做的是不要强迫孩子接受东西,我会经历教导他们不会过时的
: 生活习惯,如何跟情绪相处,如何倾听和沟通,我希望可以传授足够的经验,应对各种
: 困难,并有热情地享受生活
: 第2个留言
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: 作者有回答的问题跳过
: "Then, there is the Taiwanese education system, which makes them memorize
: things instead of expanding their imagination."
: 台湾填鸭式的教育,无法发挥想像力
:
: Because many teachers lack either the ability or willingness (or sometimes
: both) to "expand their imagination." Trust me, many of them don't even teach
: children how to memorize things effectively.
: 大部分的老师缺少能力或是懒得(有时候两者都有),“发挥他们的想像力”
: 相信我,很多时候他们甚至不知如何教孩童有效率地背东西
:
: "After school they have to go to cram school and study till 9 Do they even get
: a childhood?"
: 参加补习班到9点,缺少童年
:
: That would be another problem.
: Many parents have to work long hours and don't have much time to take care of
: them. So they send their kids to cram schools so at least someone would keep
: an eye on their children for them.
: And some other parents are just obsessed with the idea of some sort of
: "studying hard→getting into a good high school/college→getting a good job→
: become rich→wonderful life" stuff. After all, that myth has been deeply
: rooted in Chinese culture for over 1400 years.
: 这是另一个问题
: 多数父母工时长,没时间照顾小孩,所以只好送他们去补习班,至少有人可以照顾他们
: 而其他父母很在意“努力读书 → 申请到好的高中/大学 → 找到好工作 → 变有钱
: → 有美好的人生”
: 毕竟这个神话已在中国的文化深根蒂固了1400年
:
: 第3个留言
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: My parents made great sacrifices so that I could be educated abroad, for the
: various reasons that you’ve observed.
: In the days of the Joint College Entrance Examinations, how you did in the
: exams determined what school and course you went to (about a 22-26%
: acceptance rate, apparently), and therefore what you can achieve in life. To
: get into a good college, you must therefore go to a good high school that can
: best prepare you for the exam, which means you must therefore go to a good
: grade school, and so on. It was an arms race for the few good white collar
: jobs available on the island.
: Part of it was of course financial, but part of it was also a cultural
: disdain for the “black hands” (乌手 in Taiwanese, as in black with grease)
: jobs in factories and repair shops. Taiwanese parents broadly believed that
: education was the way out of poverty.
: My understanding is that things have improved a bit with reforms since my
: time, but there are still plenty of vestiges left, and lots of childhoods
: robbed. The relatively lower stress once you finally made it into college
: resulted in the joking transliteration 由你玩四年 (fool around for four
: years) of the English word “university.”
: Thanks for caring about them.
: 就如你所观察到的,我的父母做了很大的牺牲让我可以出国读书
: 在大学联考的年代,考试的成绩决定你去哪间学校/科系(差不多22%–26%的录取率)
: ,也定了你在人生的成就
: 因此,为了能上好的大学,得要去好的高中帮你准备考试,这也代表你得上好的小学
: 这是一场军备竞赛,目的是进入岛上少数的白领职缺
:
: 其中一部分跟收入有关,但也有一部分跟对工厂和修理厂的文化歧视有关
: (台湾人口中的“黑手”,油油黑黑的),大多数的父母觉得教育是脱离贫困的道路
: 我的理解是,随着改革,情况有所改善,但仍然有很多残留的,多数孩童的时光被剥夺了
: 一旦进入大学, 低压的环境导致学生用“由你玩四年”音译 英文的 "university"
:
: 感谢关心台湾的孩童
: 第4个留言
: https://i.imgur.com/g787tt0.png
: Many people in this thread miss the point. Just ask the students what their
: hobbies are. At best you get some sport or playing a certain instrument. Note
: the singularity of the replies. They are so busy, they have no time to know
: themselves, or what they might be interested in. Best example is learning
: English. I've seen pages of English terms they have to memorize, even though
: the majority of them will never use these words and neither do I. At the same
: time most students can't hold a conversation past "Hi, what's your name,
: where do you come from, how old are you". Less volume, more depth would help
: a lot. More free time to learn social skills and develop a personality would
: benefit those students more than an additional x-amount of home work hours.
: 很多人在这个讨论串都忽略这点,只要问学生们,他们的兴趣是什么,最多只会说某种
: 运动或是乐器,注意回答中特别的答案
: 学生们很忙,没时间认识自己,或是了解自己有兴趣的,最好例子是学英文的时候,
: 我看过他们要背的单字,很多他们根本用不到,连我也没在用
: 同时,他们的英文对话仅限于,“你好,你的名字是、你来自哪、你几岁了”
: 少一点单字,更深的内容会很大的帮助,更多空闲时间让孩子学习社交能力,培养个性
: 会比 x小时的功课更有益
:
: 备注
: reddit的人都比较诚实?
: 大家怎么看呢
本质上就是台湾人总喜欢把自己的想法强加诸在别人身上
不尊重别人的自由意志是根本原因
职场上长官也不喜欢会跟他唱反调的下属
学校老师也是喜欢乖乖不吵不闹的学生
情侣夫妻也是喜欢把对方改造成自己想要的样子
亲子关系也是如此,喜欢把自己的观念强加在孩子身上
网络上立场跟意见跟自己不同就各种贴标签与人身攻击
上述的情况本质的问题都是一样的
就是不懂得尊重他人
台湾人基本上都是如此
要改善这些问题
先从最基本人与人之间的相互尊重开始落实吧

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