Re: [爆卦] 台湾100%不爆炸电子烟品牌 热销海外

楼主: tobetwob   2017-12-08 11:59:16
本协会是非营利组织,成员是业者无误,请问这样的问题是?
未来我们要筹组电子烟商业同业公会,协会是现实中目前能成立的法人单位。
不然我们是直接想成立电子烟商业同业公会无误。
E大,经过这一堆的讨论,我了解您的意思。
电子烟台湾目前只探讨到电子烟油成分,其中媒体扯到尼古丁。
所以是由药事法管理 负责单位是卫福部食药署。
但电子烟主机,过往国健署从来没有关心(因为跟它们专业已经差太远)
所以我主动请示卫福部与标检局,得到答案是,主管机关没有指示。
所以 电子烟主机到底要怎么管理,英国是列为一般3C品,台湾要怎么管。
自然有许多讨论空间,就像E大您提到的 医材 呼吸给药器,都是可以讨论怎么做对台湾最好。
有这么多讨论其实本会很开心,因为本会很痛心的是,主管机关 卫福部 国健署
根本就不想处理
讨论??都只是我在打扰他们。
所以很抱歉上来PTT争取曝光机会以及跟 乡民沟通何为电子烟。
昨日我打到行政院及立法院,
行政院说:菸害防制法修正草案已经结案,只剩流程再跑,流程跑过了,就送立法院。
立法院说:等到收到行政院的版本,便会请相关委员会开会讨论。
我们只希望这一切不会是 卫福部版本的"劳基法修正草案"。
电子烟有电子烟的族群与支持者,且使用人口逐渐增加,目前粗估全台已经来到约20万人。
支持与反对,真相总是越辩越明,期待在立法院公听会见面,谢谢大家!
本人 王郁扬 电烟协会共同发起人 身心健康 不自杀
下台一鞠躬 谢谢!
※ 引述《ewings (火星人当研究生)》之铭言:
: ※ 引述《tobetwob ()》之铭言:
: : 电子烟协会官网新闻稿区:
: 其实看到这边,我更觉得这个协会可能是厂商成立的
: 因为如果依照法规来认证,电子菸就是尼古丁制剂的呼吸给药器
: 和尼古清口腔吸入剂一样是用来戒烟用的用途
: 这样反而能摆脱菸害防制法的限制,不会因为吸电子菸而被
: 罚款,也可以在公共场合使用(需要使用合格的吸入剂)
: 对菸虫来说,是一件更爽的事
: 如果真的如协会讲的这样,要用商品检验规范来检验电子菸,
: 反而会中新的菸害防治法草案,和香烟一样要课健康捐,
: 也不能在公众场合抽
: 不支持电子菸用医疗器材认证的菸虫,那真是脑袋坏掉了
: : http://www.taiwanvapeassociation.org/news-/
: : 以下提供期刊Nature及政府官方单位,关于电子烟的资料:
: : Nature期刊:
: : Patients are asking about e-cigarettes. What do we tell them?
: : Published online:
: : 25 July 2014
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/sj.bdj.2014.596
: : Abstract
: : E-cigarettes are electronic devices that deliver vaporised nicotine liquid
: : into the lungs. Since the introduction of e-cigarettes in 2004, the market in
: : the UK has rapidly expanded and increasingly people are asking health
: : professionals about them. This article gives an overview of e-cigarettes,
: : their use, their regulatory status and evidence for their safety, quality and
: : efficacy. Advice about e-cigarettes for dental health professionals to give
: : patients is provided, as well as the five questions, proposed by Action on
: : Smoking and Health, to consider when deciding whether to permit or prohibit
: : use of e-cigarettes on premises.
: : What do we tell patients about e-cigarettes?
: : Published online:
: : 19 December 2014
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/bdjteam2014136
: : Are e-cigarettes a gateway to smoking or a pathway to quitting?
: : Published online:
: : 14 August 2015
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/sj.bdj.2015.591
: : Abstract
: : Over recent years there has been a massive increase in the usage of
: : electronic cigarettes (e-cigs) by the general public. There are mixed views
: : regarding the safety and efficacy of e-cigs, even among healthcare
: : professionals. While some individuals view e-cigs as a public health concern,
: : others recommend them as a safe alternative to conventional cigarettes for
: : smokers who are willing to quit. Since e-cigs are a new phenomena, many
: : clinicians are unaware of their impact on users (known as vapers), who may
: : seek medical advice regarding their use. This clinical review aims to educate
: : healthcare professionals regarding the advantages and disadvantages of
: : e-cigarettes and to discuss whether e-cigarettes help users quit smoking or
: : whether they renormalise smoking. This article will describe the contents of
: : e-cigs and how they are used, the history, advantages, disadvantages and then
: : balance the positive and negative aspects of their use. Due to the lack of
: : long-term follow up of the health effects of e-cigarettes, caution is advised
: : with their use.
: : Development, validation and application of a device to measure e-cigarette
: : users’ puffing topography
: : Published online:
: : 10 October 2016
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/srep35071
: : Abstract
: : With the rapidly rising popularity and substantial evolution of electronic
: : cigarettes (e-cigarettes) in the past 5–6 years, how these devices are used
: : by vapers and consumers’ exposure to aerosol emissions need to be
: : understood. We used puffing topography to measure directly product use. We
: : adapted a cigarette puffing topography device for use with e-cigarettes. We
: : performed validation using air and e-cigarette aerosol under multiple
: : regimes. Consumer puffing topography was measured for 60 vapers provided with
: : rechargeable “cig-a-like” or larger button-activated e-cigarettes, to use
: : ad-libitum in two sessions. Under all regimes, air puff volumes were within 1
: : Nicotine delivery from the refill liquid to the aerosol via high-power
: : e-cigarette device
: : Published online:
: : 01 June 2017
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-03008-0
: : Abstract
: : To offer an enhanced and well-controlled nicotine delivery from the refill
: : liquid to the aerosol is a key point to adequately satisfy nicotine cravings
: : using electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS). A recent high-power ENDS,
: : exhibiting higher aerosol nicotine delivery than older technologies, was
: : used. The particle size distribution was measured using a cascade impactor.
: : The effects of the refill liquid composition on the nicotine content of each
: : size-fraction in the submicron range were investigated. Nicotine was
: : quantified by liquid chromatography coupled with tandem mass spectrometry.
: : Particle size distribution of the airborne refill liquid and the aerosol
: : nicotine demonstrated that the nicotine is equally distributed in droplets
: : regardless of their size. Results also proved that the nicotine concentration
: : in aerosol was significantly lower compared to un-puffed refill liquid. A
: : part of the nicotine may be left in the ENDS upon depletion, and consequently
: : a portion of the nicotine may not be transferred to the user. Thus, new
: : generation high-power ENDS associated with propylene glycol/vegetable
: : glycerin (PG/VG) based solvent were very efficient to generate
: : carrier-droplets containing nicotine molecules with a constant concentration.
: : Findings highlighted that a portion of the nicotine in the refill liquid may
: : not be transferred to the user.
: : Health impact of E-cigarettes: a prospective 3.5-year study of regular daily
: : users who have never smoked
: : Published online:
: : 17 November 2017
: : https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14043-2
: : Abstract
: : Although electronic cigarettes (ECs) are a much less harmful alternative to
: : tobacco cigarettes, there is concern as to whether long-term ECs use may
: : cause risks to human health. We report health outcomes (blood pressure, heart
: : rate, body weight, lung function, respiratory symptoms, exhaled breath nitric
: : oxide [eNO], exhaled carbon monoxide [eCO], and high-resolution computed
: : tomography [HRCT] of the lungs) from a prospective 3.5-year observational
: : study of a cohort of nine daily EC users (mean age 29.7 (± 6.1) years) who
: : have never smoked and a reference group of twelve never smokers. No
: : significant changes could be detected over the observation period from
: : baseline in the EC users or between EC users and control subjects in any of
: : the health outcomes investigated. Moreover, no pathological findings could be
: : identified on HRCT of the lungs and no respiratory symptoms were consistently
: : reported in the EC user group. Although it cannot be excluded that some harm
: : may occur at later stages, this study did not demonstrate any health concerns
: : associated with long-term use of EC in relatively young users who did not
: : also smoke tobacco.
: : 海外政府、官方单位资料分隔线==========================================
: : UK
: : E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco estimates landmark review
: : 19 August 2015
: : https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-to
: : bacco-estimates-landmark-review
: : Electronic cigarettes
: : 4 July 2016
: : https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/electronic-cigarettes
: : NZ
: : https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/preventative-health-wellness/tobacco-contr
: : ol/e-cigarettes
: : FDA
: : Advancing Medicinal Nicotine Replacement Therapies as New Drugs – A new step
: : in FDA’s comprehensive approach to tobacco and nicotine
: : https://blogs.fda.gov/fdavoice/index.php/2017/11/advancing-medicinal-nicotine-
: : replacement-therapies-as-new-drugs-a-new-step-in-fdas-comprehensive-approach-t
: : o-tobacco-and-nicotine/
: : CDC
: : Electronic Cigarettes
: : E-cigarettes have the potential to benefit
: : adult smokers who are not pregnant
: : if used as a complete substitute for regular cigarettes
: : and other smoked tobacco products.
: : Are e-cigarettes less harmful than regular cigarettes?
: : Yes—but that doesn’t mean e-cigarettes are safe
: : https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/index.htm
: : PMC
: : Nicotine addicts, tar kills
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3685410/
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11037035
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181622/
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12052660
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC526783/
: : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466669/
: : American Heart Association Issues E-Cigarette Recommendations
: : when repeated efforts with conventional treatment fails, is intolerant, or
: : rejected by a patient who wants to utilize e-cigarettes to help them quit,
: : clinicians should not discourage their use by the patient.
: : http://newsroom.heart.org/news/american-heart-association-issues-e-cigarette-r
: : ecommendations
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作者: ewings (火星人当研究生)   2017-12-08 12:02:00
我不是给了建议吗?找顾问公司向TFDA申请一般来说这样一句话至少要收一万,今天我免费和你讲,我都亏本了。
作者: Windcws9Z (闻肉丝就饿)   2017-12-08 12:12:00
厂商跑来PTT叶佩雯 笑死 xDDDDDDDDD
楼主: tobetwob   2017-12-08 12:12:00
E大,正常流程或许是这样没错,但电子烟主管机关不作为食药署的药品组也说,未来电子烟业务都会移回给国健署反正政府机关就是踢皮球。根本没人要处理"电子烟主机"这件事,好,今天由协会出声我们首要的任务是,将烟害防制法 全面禁止电子烟 挡下否则谈什么电子烟主机都是空谈,因为要是过了,产业外移管都不用管,多方便。
作者: ewings (火星人当研究生)   2017-12-08 12:16:00
那就是你们协会无能啊好好的可以用医疗器材认证,可以摆脱菸害防治法的方式不去做,拖到被反菸团体游说成功,要把电子菸移到国健署管辖。以后要做医材认证只会更难。
楼主: tobetwob   2017-12-08 12:16:00
今天这篇新闻稿,是针对昨天TVBS跟东森的报导而发。不要再嘴了,讲都很容易,你当作执行的人就知道眉角太多我们对手是谁? 传统菸商、药商、政府、反菸团体。都大有来头,对,我弱,一个平民百姓小虾米对抗大鲸鱼。我也希望有钱能挖到超给力的帮手,我就不用熬夜到四点,早上八点多爬起来回文。
作者: ewings (火星人当研究生)   2017-12-08 12:21:00
现在做医材认证,还只需要class II。被归类到菸品,就必须经过人体实验确认有戒烟疗效,才能通过认证
楼主: tobetwob   2017-12-08 12:21:00
既然这是我选择的路,我就会执行到底,任何靠杯我的意见我都会转换成能量去靠杯政府,谢谢各位指教。你直接加我赖 0982225140

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