Re: [问卦] 二战后日本领土的变更及后续发展

楼主: saveme (hihi)   2015-02-04 00:45:03
※ 引述《pauljet (喷射机)》之铭言:
: ※ 引述《quartics (Smart is the new Sexy)》之铭言:
: : 1952旧金山和约生效后, 日本放弃台湾主权,没有收受国,
: : 此时台湾主权就已经决定,属于台湾住民所有,
: : 台湾未定的是国家地位, 此乃因为中华民国政府流亡台湾,还宣称拥有中国大陆,
: : 要名正言顺成为实质独立国家需先摆脱中华民国流亡政府的纠缠,
: : 也就是重新制宪,修宪及法律把目前跟中国大陆有关的全部删除,
: : 明订台湾为主权独立国家,领土范围就是台澎,金门马祖不属于旧金山和约台湾范围.
: : 因此金马马祖可透过公投决定要加入台湾或中华人民共和国.
: : 如果金马决定加入台湾,那领土范围就是台澎金马.
: 我们来讨论一下北方四岛
: 北方四岛是日本放弃主权
: 但是没指定收受国
: 也就是苏联
: 所以北方四岛应独立这样?
先讲结论:
台湾澎湖地位等同千岛群岛地位等同琉球群岛地位,
旧金山和平条约实践波次坎宣言内容.
(所以阿共也同意台湾要归还日本,
他还在中日友好条约里要求日本遵守波次坎宣言)
http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1952-54v14p2/d595
In Article 2 of the Peace Treaty, Japan renounced right, title and claim to Ko
rea, Formosa, the Kuriles, Sakhalin, the Mandated Islands, Antarctic area, the
Spratly Islands and the Paracel Islands. It may be inferred that ultimate Jap
anese sovereignty was recognized over the islands she agreed to place in trust
eeship. This conception was conceded by Mr. Dulles (page 78, Dept. State
Publication 4392)8and by Mr. Younger, the U.K. delegate (page 93, Dept. State
Publication 4392). Mr. Dulles speaks of the current Japanese position as “res
idual sovereignty”.
在SFPT第2条,日本放弃对朝鲜,福尔摩沙,千岛群岛,库页岛,南洋群岛,南极区域,西沙群岛
,南沙群岛的权利,资格,和主张,这可推断日本承认对于这些岛屿拥有最终的主权而她同意
置于托管制度.这个概念由杜勒斯和英国的委任代表杨格先生所承认(page 78,93,美国国
务院公报4392)杜勒斯谈及日本当时的立场是"剩余主权".
http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1952-54v14p2/d595
The Potsdam Proclamation, paragraph (8), reads “The terms of the Cairo Declar
ation shall be carried out and Japanese sovereignty shall be limited to the is
lands of Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu, Shikoku, and such minor islands as we deter
mine.” The Cairo Declaration referred specifically only to “the territories
Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa and the Pescador
es”, although it did add “Japan will also be expelled from all other territo
ries which she has taken by violence and greed.” The San Francisco Peace Trea
ty amounts to a “determination” by the Allied Powers as to the “minor islan
ds” which Japan is to renounce. By its terms Japan renounced (a) certain isla
nds off Korea; (b) Formosa and the Pescadores; (c)
the Kurile Islands, South Sakhalin and adjacent islands; (d) the League of Nat
ion’s Mandate System; (e) the Antarctic area; and (f) the Spratley and Parace
l Islands. In other words, the Treaty appears to be an implementation of the p
recise terms of the Potsdam Proclamation rather than an attempt to carry out t
he vague provision of the Cairo Declaration regarding territories taken by vio
lence and greed.
在坡次坦公告第八段显示"开罗宣言条款必须实行且日本主权应被限制在本州岛,北海道岛
,九州岛,四国岛,和我们决定诸如次要的岛屿."开罗宣言具体的只被提交于"这些领土是从
中国偷来的,例如满州,福尔摩沙与澎湖",尽管他只增加"日本也将被驱赶从所有由暴力和
贪婪取得的其他土地."旧金山和平条约产生一个由盟军"决定"的结果,至于提到日本放弃
的"次要的岛屿".在此款内日本放弃(a)确切以韩国为称的岛屿;(b)福尔摩沙和澎湖;(c)千
岛群岛,南库页岛和毗连的岛屿;(d)国际联盟托管系统;(e)南极地区;和(f)南沙和西沙岛
屿.换句话说,条约显露出一个精确履行的波次坦公告条款而不是企图实践开罗宣言中就领
土是由暴力和贪婪所取得而论的不明确之条款.
The United States cannot consistently take the position that Japan has not ren
ounced the Kuriles, any more than she could take the position that she had not
renounced Formosa and the Pescadores. She must, in view of the position taken
by the Secretary and by the United States Senate, contend that their disposit
ion is for future international action. It would be perfectly consistent for t
he United States to support Japan in the argument that these islands, or part
of them, should be returned to Japan by international action, such as an accor
d among the Allied Powers, including the Soviet Union.
美国不能一贯的持有日本不再放弃千岛群岛的立场,相较于它(日本)可以持有它没有放弃
福尔摩沙与澎湖的立场.它必须,考虑到在国务院和美国参议院持有的立场,坚决主张他们
的处置是交由未来的国际行动.它将完美一致的符合美国支持日本在这些岛屿的争议,或是
他们的部分,应该借由国际行动归还给日本,例如一个在同盟国包括苏联的协议.
(也就是说他将来可以归还给日本的,法理上日本现在扔然拥有台湾澎湖的剩余主权)
http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1955-57v23p1/d89
The Secretary reminded Mr. Shigemitsu that the Kuriles and Ryukyus were handle
d in the same manner under the surrender terms and that while the United State
s had by the peace treaty agreed that residual sovereignty to the Ryukyus migh
t remain with Japan, we had also stipulated by Article 26 that if Japan gave b
etter terms to Russia we could demand the same terms for
ourselves. That would mean that if Japan recognized that the Soviet Union was
entitled to full sovereignty over the Kuriles we would assume that we were equ
ally entitled to full sovereignty over the Ryukyus.
国务卿提醒重光揆先生 千岛群岛和琉球在投降条款的处理是相同的方式且当美国在和平
条约同意日本可能对琉球保留剩余主权,我们也在26条规定假如日本给予苏联更好的条款
我们也可以要求对我们同样的条款.这代表假如日本承认苏联是给予千岛群岛完整的主权,
我们主张对我们同样给予琉球群岛的完整主权.
作者: fufufugogogo   2015-02-04 00:55:00
法理上日本现在扔然拥有台湾澎湖的剩余主权??????争这个根本没人鸟你 日本只会当你神经病
作者: sexyATHENA (ATHENA)   2015-02-04 01:00:00
所以钓岛谁的很明显了XD
作者: wattswatts (挖哩)   2015-02-04 02:19:00
可以去争日本人,爷爷奶奶有日本国籍正本XD

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