[外絮] 苦命和Kerr在办公室认真讨论问题

楼主: XXXaBg (对的事情做一千次)   2024-01-06 18:44:31
Jonathan Kuminga meets with Steve Kerr to quell festering Warriors issues: ‘I
love it here’
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SAN FRANCISCO — In the aftermath of The Athletic’s report that Jonathan Kumi
nga had lost faith in Steve Kerr’s ability to maximize his potential, the Gol
den State Warriors’ head coach and third-year wing met in Kerr’s office befo
re Friday night’s 113-109 win over the Detroit Pistons.
在《The Athletic’s》报导说Jonathan Kuminga对于Steve Kerr能否最大化他的潜力失
去信心之后,金州勇士队的主教练和这位第三年的前锋在周五晚上对底特律活塞的比赛前
在Kerr的办公室会面,最终以113-109获胜。
Kuminga’s latest frustration came a night earlier when he watched the final 1
8 minutes from the bench — and particularly the agonizing final six minutes
— as the Warriors let an 18-point lead over the Denver Nuggets slip away into
another gut-punch lost.
Kuminga前一晚的挫折来自于他在板凳席上观看最后18分钟的比赛,尤其是令人痛苦的最
后6分钟,看着勇士队让18分的领先优势滑落为对丹佛金块的又一次沮丧的失利。
Kerr’s decision to limit Kuminga to 19 minutes and zero in the fourth quarter
, despite 16 points prior and an obvious need for his downhill skill set, was
placed under a harsh microscope. Kuminga’s boiling feelings surfaced to the p
ublic. Kerr felt a face-to-face conversation necessary. Speaking after the win
over Detroit, Kuminga said the discussion had a positive impact.
尽管Kuminga在之前已得到16分,并且明显需要他的突破技巧,Kerr仍决定将Kuminga的上
场时间限制在19分钟,且在第四节完全不上场。这一决策受到了严厉的检视。Kuminga的
怒火被公之于众。Kerr认为面对面的交谈是必要的。在对底特律的胜利后谈话时,Kuming
a表示这次讨论产生了积极的影响。
“I think it went really well,” Kuminga said. “I think it was just all about
better understanding of each other. More communication. We don’t really get
to sit together as much and communicate about pretty much non-basketball thing
s, basketball things. We don’t get to do that as much. Just us having that co
nversation today made me more comfortable that any time I have something to as
k, I should just go up to his office. His door is open. Go up there and chill
and wait for him to come back whenever. I think that’s what it’s all about,
communication every single time if something is going wrong. Communication is
the key.”
“我认为这次谈话进行得非常好,”Kuminga说。“我认为这主要是关于彼此更好的理解
。更多的沟通。我们不太有机会坐在一起谈论非篮球的事情,篮球的事情。我们不太有机
会这样做。仅仅是我们今天有了这样的对话,让我更舒服,随时有问题就去他的办公室。
他的门是开着的。上去坐着等他回来。我认为这就是关键,每当有问题时就要沟通。沟通
是解决问题的关键。”
Kuminga played a season-high 36 minutes against the Pistons. He didn’t rest a
single second in the fourth quarter. He had 11 points and six rebounds and sp
ent the majority of crunchtime as the primary defender on Cade Cunningham. It
was his 12th consecutive game in the starting lineup, but Kuminga is still yet
to play 30-plus minutes in consecutive games in his career. So the playing-ti
me tracker will continue to be monitored.
Kuminga在对活塞的比赛中出场了本季最高的36分钟。他在第四节没有休息一分一秒。他
得到11分和6个篮板,并在大部分关键时刻作为对Cade Cunningham的主要防守者。这是他
连续第12场比赛首发,但Kuminga的职业生涯中仍然没有连续两场比赛出场30分钟以上。
因此,上场时间的追踪将继续被追踪。
“I never complained about playing time (during the meeting),” Kuminga said.
“We were just talking about if I do great at something, just go back and remi
nd him, ‘Yo, coach, what do I need to do to get better at this? What do I nee
d to do to gain more trust or more minutes?’ Like I said, it’s more about co
mmunication and better understanding from both of us.”
“我在会议中从未抱怨过上场时间,”Kuminga说。“我们只是在谈论如果我做得很好,
就回去提醒他,”喂,教练,我需要做什么来变得更好?我需要做什么来获得更多的信任
或更多的上场时间?”就像我说的,这更多的是关于沟通和我们双方更好的理解。”
Kuminga’s uneasiness about his fluctuating role — which dates to the previou
s postseason when he went from an integral part of the rotation the final two
months of the regular season to a bench bystander after Andrew Wiggins returne
d from a long personal absence — has generated questions about his future wit
h the Warriors. Does he want to be with them long-term? Will he still be on th
e roster past the Feb. 8 trade deadline? After Friday’s meeting, how does he
feel about his standing in the organization and with Kerr in general?
Kuminga对他波动的角色感到不安 — 这可以追溯到上一个赛季的季后赛,当时他从例行
赛最后两个月成为阵容的重要一部分,到Andrew Wiggins从长时间的个人缺席回归后变成
了板凳大使 — 这引发了关于他与勇士未来的问题。他想长期留在这支球队吗?他会在2
月8日交易截止日期之后仍在队中吗?在周五的会议之后,他对自己在球队中的地位和与K
err的一般关系有何看法?
“I love it here,” Kuminga said. “I got drafted here. There’s always ups an
d downs. I feel like when you look at all the ups and downs, that will confuse
a lot of people. But I know Steve believes in me. I know he trusts me at this
point. It was just more about communication and better understanding. It wasn
’t no beef. None of that. Scratch whatever happens. It’s the past. Move on w
ith better understanding and hoping we all can work with each other and help t
his team and leave everything in the past.”
“我很爱这里,”Kuminga说。“我是在这里被选中的。总会有起伏。我觉得当你看所有
的起伏时,会让很多人感到困惑。但我知道Steve相信我。我知道他此刻对我有信任。这
更多的是关于沟通和更好的理解。这不是什么争吵。不是那些。忘掉发生的一切。这是过
去的事。以更好的理解向前看,希望我们都能互相合作,帮助这个团队,把一切都留在过
去。”
What does that better understanding entail?
这种更好的理解包括什么?
“All together a better understanding of certain things on the floor I need to
do to get the team better,” Kuminga said. “Who is he going with tonight or
the next night? Who he trusts the most? As a coach, you talk about who you tru
st the most or who is producing things as a coach you want at the moment. So i
t was all about those little things. As we sat together and spoke about it, it
went well.”
“更好地理解在场上需要做些什么来使球队变得更好的某些事情,”Kuminga说。“今晚
或下一场比赛他会选谁?他最信任谁?作为教练,你谈到你最信任的人,或者是在当时作
为教练想要的产出。所以这都是关于这些小事情。当我们坐在一起谈论这些时,一切进行
得很顺利。”
The crux of the problem is the Warriors’ inability to fit Kuminga and Wiggins
on the floor together. Entering Friday, they were a cumulative minus-66 toget
her as a pairing in 131 minutes. The Warriors have an analytics department tha
t feeds the coaching staff these numbers, partly fueling their lineup choices.
It’s why Kerr has maintained a hesitancy to play his two bigger wings togeth
er, calling them a “redundant” pairing.
问题的核心是勇士队无法将Kuminga和Wiggins一起安排在场上。计至周五,他们同时在场
上时,在131分钟的正负值为-66。勇士队有一个分析部门为教练团队提供这些数据,部分
推动他们的阵容选择。这就是为什么Kerr对于让他的两个较大的前锋一起上场持谨慎态度
,称他们为“重复”的搭配。
But he tried to find time for them together against the Pistons. They were on
the floor for six minutes together. They outscored Detroit by seven points. Bu
t Wiggins struggled to a 1-of-5 shooting night and didn’t provide much else.
So he was limited to 19 minutes and Kuminga received 36.
但他尝试在对活塞的比赛中让他们一起上场。他们一起在场上6分钟。他们以7分的优势超
过底特律。但Wiggins投篮5投1中,没有提供太多其他帮助。因此他被限制在19分钟,而K
uminga获得了36分钟。
“I’m gonna keep it real,” Kuminga said. “I went to Coach and talked about
me playing with Wiggs. I don’t want it to seem like me and Wiggs are out here
fighting every day for minutes. I know Wiggs come to work every day not think
ing about that. Same with me. I don’t come to work every day thinking about t
aking Wiggs’ minutes, taking this guy’s minutes. We come here to play good a
nd help the team win and accomplish things that we all as a team are about. Ch
ampionship and all that. Whenever the team win, everybody win. Just moving for
ward, it’s really all about what the team needs first and concerned about the
rest after.”
“我要保持真实,”Kuminga说。“我去找教练谈论我和Wiggs一起打球。我不想让人觉得
我和Wiggs在这里每天为了上场时间而争斗。我知道Wiggs每天都来工作,而不是在想这个
。我也是,我每天来工作不是在想着拿走Wiggs的上场时间,也不是在想着抢走这个家伙
的上场时间。我们来这里是为了打得好,帮助球队赢球,实现我们整个团队所追求的目标
。冠军等等。只要球队赢了,每个人都赢了。所以向前看,这真的全都是关于球队首先需
要什么,然后再关心其他事情。”
In the immediate future, more minutes are opening up in the Warriors’ rotatio
n. Chris Paul fractured his left hand against the Pistons and will get surgery
next week. He is out indefinitely. Kerr said that’ll give Brandin Podziemski
, Cory Joseph and Moses Moody a bump in opportunity. But it could also creep o
pen the door to experiment more with Kuminga and Wiggins lineups.
在不久的将来,更多的上场时间将在勇士队的轮换中开放。Chris Paul在对活塞的比赛中
左手骨折,将在下周进行手术。他无限期缺席。Kerr表示,这将给Brandin Podziemski、
Cory Joseph和Moses Moody带来更多机会。但这也可能为Kuminga和Wiggins的阵容组合打
开一扇门。
Draymond Green’s impending return from his indefinite suspension will regener
ate another logjam. But that’s another depth problem for another day.
Draymond Green即将从他的无限期停赛中归来,将再次引发阵容拥挤问题。但那是未来某
一天的另一个深度问题。
“I’ve been there before,” Curry said of Kuminga. “He’s not wrong for bein
g upset and pissed off, wanting to play. Probably should’ve played. Not proba
bly. … But the ultimate challenge for anybody in this league is to not let th
e narrative be told for you and you not be able to address that with your own
voice or directly with Coach or whatever the case is. We all go through our ch
allenges. We all go through our learning lessons. Like I said, he’s not wrong
for being upset and frustrated. I heard Coach talk about. He was kind of half
-joking but serious about 15 years he was always upset with playing time. That
’s a talking point in every locker room in some way, shape or form. There are
ways to express it, ways to voice your opinion but protect the team. I’m jus
t proud of the way he — we talked about it before the game. Go out and play.
Go hoop. Be a professional. And that’s what he did.”
“我以前也经历过这种情况,”Curry说到Kuminga。“他对于生气和沮丧,想要上场是没
有错的。可能应该上场。不是可能… 但对于这个联盟中的任何人来说,最终的挑战是不
让叙事为你所设定,而你不能用自己的声音或直接与教练等方式来解决。我们都经历过我
们的挑战。我们都经历过我们的学习课程。就像我说的,他对于生气和沮丧是没有错的。
我听到教练谈到了。他有点开玩笑但又是认真的,说他15年来总是对上场时间不满。这在
每个更衣室都是某种方式的话题。有表达它的方法,有发表你的意见的方式,但要保护球
队。我只是为他的方式感到骄傲 — 我们在赛前谈过。出去打球。去打篮球。做一名专业
人士。这就是他所做的。”
https://theathletic.com/5182703/2024/01/06/jonathan-kuminga-steve-kerr-meet/
我是很怀疑Kerr会不会说到做到啦 大家觉得呢
作者: abc202000 (123)   2024-01-06 18:48:00
他们都这样说我们也只能相信了啊 Kuminga不会没理由说出这些话吧
作者: Mikotosama (鬼之子)   2024-01-06 18:50:00
Moody是不是也要去办公室一趟
作者: malain (MA DO VA DO)   2024-01-06 18:53:00
围巾:抢时间?!要打你打啊没事儿
作者: SC30mvp (leolee11wooooo)   2024-01-06 18:55:00
我保守看待 十场后再说
作者: peter080808 (peter)   2024-01-06 18:55:00
嘴绿 K汤 围巾 一定要让出时间出来
作者: insen001 (inbearing)   2024-01-06 19:01:00
Curry不要说干话,说什么保护球队,你们这群老的就是专门在做伤害球队的事
作者: kobebrian (bryant)   2024-01-06 19:05:00
咖哩到底在供三小被揍的是新人 被冰的是新人 新人们也不是第一次 第二次 第三次被无缘无故冰箱就放话 打得好的球员上场为自己的合约拼斗天经地义如果内部讨论没有办法解决 那只能寻求外部途径不是吗
作者: jack34031 (人人人人人)   2024-01-06 19:12:00
咖哩是干话大师吗
作者: EQUP (不怒师兄)   2024-01-06 19:13:00
我们就等著看后续 苦命别被PUA了哈
作者: PIPPP4 (Jump shot&Jump shot)   2024-01-06 19:13:00
呃,是翻译的问题吗?
作者: Sc30Fmvp (TheSplash)   2024-01-06 19:17:00
阿明也不是不能跟追梦KT围巾一起上吧? 现在问题是围巾阿
作者: xiao07 (desperado)   2024-01-06 19:17:00
JK真的成熟 长大了 20初头岁就要跟这些超巨同队竞争 不简单 老将就是 保护球队性的发言 他对外也只能这样讲 希望对内能真的多帮忙支持菜鸟
作者: rig2121 (阿中)   2024-01-06 19:18:00
围巾也算被砍很多时间了吧…
作者: xiao07 (desperado)   2024-01-06 19:18:00
毕竟他也是菜鸟过来 之前已经走了一个有潜力的小朋友 勇士经不起接二连三的失去新血
作者: kaede0711 (kaede)   2024-01-06 19:19:00
其实正面解读球员跟教练有沟通是好事啦 阵容规划就是制服组的工作了
作者: xiao07 (desperado)   2024-01-06 19:19:00
不过真的连看十场再说 科学家的过往纪录...打个问号先
作者: rig2121 (阿中)   2024-01-06 19:20:00
咖哩讲的话我觉得也还好啊,当初他和Ellis争谁是核心也是靠表现抢来的,看大家这么不爽老将干脆把咖哩也交易直接重建,但这样会比较好吗?
作者: killuaz (从前的从前从没变过)   2024-01-06 19:22:00
Kerr发动相信我之术,结束这一回合
作者: EQUP (不怒师兄)   2024-01-06 19:24:00
咖哩当然是靠表现抢来 问题是现在苦命靠表现抢不来XD
作者: kobebrian (bryant)   2024-01-06 19:25:00
咖哩新秀赛季时间就很多了 他是很猛但没经历过没上场时间这件事吧
作者: rig2121 (阿中)   2024-01-06 19:29:00
咖哩那时是没有人,有一场还六犯都要上,所以我才说干脆全部老将都卖掉直接重建这样也不用吵上场时间了
作者: killuaz (从前的从前从没变过)   2024-01-06 19:30:00
咖哩对外还是只能场面话啦!他这样讲也很得体了,就是呼吁菜鸟不能骑到教练头上也没错,也是希望阿嘎虽然没有错,也别对教练施压得太过火,以前有Jordan Bell的经历了
作者: a034506618 (eagle)   2024-01-06 19:33:00
苦命不凶一点对外发言,就是像moody一样,被冰到不会打球啊
作者: onetooneya (candle)   2024-01-06 19:33:00
我有点意外阿家今天愿意这样给面子他这样讲这样之后不管怎么操作都比较好
作者: Sc30Fmvp (TheSplash)   2024-01-06 19:34:00
其实本来他就只是疑惑自己要怎样才能更多上场时间吧
作者: onetooneya (candle)   2024-01-06 19:35:00
不过Moody真的可怜
作者: inuyaksa (茶)   2024-01-06 19:36:00
剃头某种程度上就是有觉悟了吧,Kerr要不要也抓去剃一下我保证不会笑太大声
作者: candbilly153 (Black·Muya·White)   2024-01-06 19:38:00
官腔啦反正难听的真心话让记者放出就可以,本人当然还是说些好听的话
作者: killuaz (从前的从前从没变过)   2024-01-06 19:39:00
阿嘎算是豁出去了,要嘛拿到时间,要嘛被交易,都比被冰到没机会好不过放话后很容易被放大镜检视,他接下来可不能恍神打烂了
作者: monk2 ((泣)...角落划圈圈ING)   2024-01-06 19:41:00
家人代替喊催密有违规吗?
作者: samuel0330 (samuel)   2024-01-06 19:45:00
先看十场再讨论,结束这回合
作者: Sc30Fmvp (TheSplash)   2024-01-06 19:45:00
没有吧 再说前一场柯尔调度就是有问题啊如果真的考虑交易 篮网那堆侧翼是不是也有考虑要卖掉阿
作者: balire2351 (bradkuo)   2024-01-06 19:51:00
说实在 苦命的单防还有很大进步空间
作者: jumilin927   2024-01-06 19:53:00
赞赞赞 希望还是有转机!
作者: Erishcross   2024-01-06 19:56:00
木笛是在办公室外面看他们开会吗
作者: candbilly153 (Black·Muya·White)   2024-01-06 19:57:00
篮网那边一样CP24包的话再加个Cojo薪资可以换Dinwiddie+C.Johnson
作者: wusky1982   2024-01-06 19:58:00
苦命真的防守要再好一点 比起去年 退步很多
作者: kobebrian (bryant)   2024-01-06 20:03:00
还好吧 他DEPM 联盟 PR80附近
作者: Max7169 (魔术陈)   2024-01-06 20:06:00
反正之后大概率交易 小问题 而且现在在高点 多的是队伍要可以跟嘴绿包一起
作者: Broyz (Roy)   2024-01-06 20:07:00
ok 解散解散
作者: alain (苍风)   2024-01-06 20:08:00
其实我觉得Kerr一直都是传统老派的那种沟通方式,就像之前常拿出来讲的,他赢得Jordan尊重的原因是他敢正面跟Jordan“沟通”,但他当时也不会对外爆料被打,因为要保护球队和队友。从这里就可以看得出他的确可以比较偏好自家人在自己家有话直说
作者: a034506618 (eagle)   2024-01-06 20:10:00
如果要把苦命交易,怎么可能把嘴绿交易掉,交易年轻人就代表老人要一起打到生涯结束了吧
作者: guardian128 (伊莉莎白欧森是我老婆)   2024-01-06 21:00:00
咖哩讲的哪里不对?对外讲这样的话很得体啊至少我是看不出咖哩在伤害球队啦,都老将了每场拼成那样还要被说伤害球队,真是搞笑
作者: kevenchia (万应白花油)   2024-01-06 21:08:00
支持714交易 赶快离开这怪里怪气的地方老将也是在讲干话 出去打球勒 你这套行不通了就乖乖辅佐新秀笑鼠
作者: drcula (Son of SUN)   2024-01-06 21:15:00
我是猜7+14都会交易,应该在交易大限之前就搞定,现在都是在做场面,维持身价,然后甚至可能kt就顺便续约完成
作者: onionandy (かよう)   2024-01-06 21:18:00
交易年轻人老人一起打到结束那大概就是年年老化剧码+kerr整天在那边等待老人回春的中风剧情跟湖人打包小酱换AD不同 勇士虽然一样有个超强老鬼但当初的湖人可没有两个老化占先发的功勋仔
作者: kevenchia (万应白花油)   2024-01-06 21:22:00
至少看714去别队打球都比较开心 不然留在这还得被迫看这烂内容有够衰 亏14还跟着老将练球 没想到老将还看不出来真有够没料
作者: onionandy (かよう)   2024-01-06 21:22:00
勇士打包年轻人就算换到明星 队上的老化问题还是在啊而且那两个就是非常明显的进攻问题
作者: stephen0522 (玉米)   2024-01-06 21:24:00
Kerr这季结束就走吧不想在看他了
作者: drcula (Son of SUN)   2024-01-06 21:33:00
进攻+防守都是问题,你先发五人,curry,kt,围巾,green,鲁尼有进攻有防守吗???进攻green+鲁尼都可以被放,围巾切入也不行,只要锁死curry,kt偶而爆发大概就是现在这样
作者: stephen0522 (玉米)   2024-01-06 21:38:00
Kerr在那边恶心人
作者: malain (MA DO VA DO)   2024-01-06 22:02:00
老将那part我护航一下啦,连30都知道阿家抱怨的有道理,只是透过媒体比较不恰当,自家的事还得自家管,还记得嘴绿打普洱,有没有很常听到现役/退役的球员讲嘴绿打普洱绝对是错的,但这段影片不该被放出来?所以30这段话我是能理解他的想法,但阿家也没有错,现在这样不上不下,没一个人出来烧一烧根本不会动,一样是死局,那干脆弄一弄看要怎么走也没不好
作者: jack34031 (人人人人人)   2024-01-06 22:27:00
士官长:你各位有问题要逐级回报,不要打1985,不然我就让你们08
作者: candbilly153 (Black·Muya·White)   2024-01-06 22:49:00
内部沟通如果有效还需要靠记者放话,Kerr不是都说他跟Moody常常在沟通啊人还不是被冰在板凳
作者: hiro1221 (Mistaken For Strangers)   2024-01-06 23:01:00
是说有人跟围巾搭是+的吗?
作者: OrniG (我爱yoyoma)   2024-01-06 23:32:00
上次好像有板友统计过,几乎都是负的,因为围巾实在太烂
作者: candbilly153 (Black·Muya·White)   2024-01-06 23:50:00
目前Wiggins的NetRtg跟TJD搭是+2.4、Podz是+0.9剩下就全都是负的,搭Curry则是-7.9
作者: otaku690 (狗伯特)   2024-01-07 02:36:00
围巾看他入球都要欢呼 龙吐看天吃饭 攻框屡屡刷框
作者: stocktonty (前田忧佳)   2024-01-07 06:48:00
围巾跟鲁尼这季真的莫名断崖式退化
作者: iecdalu   2024-01-07 10:08:00
居然有人叫柯瑞辅佐新秀,笑死
作者: guardian128 (伊莉莎白欧森是我老婆)   2024-01-07 11:00:00
叫咖哩辅佐新秀真的有够好笑,叫球队第一人去辅佐新秀真的问号,以为咖哩待退了喔?
作者: wusky1982   2024-01-07 13:05:00
威金 攻框真的鸟到爆 都已经接近框了 经常都弹出来
作者: candbilly153 (Black·Muya·White)   2024-01-07 13:06:00
作者: kevenchia (万应白花油)   2024-01-07 17:51:00
表现看起来就是待退啊~没714搞不好现在还上不来C10呢带队稳定C1011嘻嘻https://i.imgur.com/xztQAoU.jpg
作者: RedLiam (练)   2024-01-07 18:00:00
酸民就算了 楼上感觉有在看球都还看不懂 可怜哪
作者: guardian128 (伊莉莎白欧森是我老婆)   2024-01-07 21:10:00
真的,场均27.6分叫待退,连球都看不懂是真的可怜,有时间做图不如去多看几场球吧,笑鼠
作者: stephen0522 (玉米)   2024-01-07 21:15:00
有人真的可怜
作者: chaeyu99 (chaeyu)   2024-01-07 21:34:00
直接拉黑了
作者: kobebrian (bryant)   2024-01-07 21:47:00
故意要酸的吧?咖哩今年进阶数据联盟前10被说待退…兄弟你标准太高惹
作者: kevenchia (万应白花油)   2024-01-07 22:23:00
好气好气嘻嘻人家当然看不懂><27.6分=C10?有料……没人要说今年失误的部分吗 更别说非受迫性了 这些看球最懂的一定有看到……
作者: enixsquare (aes)   2024-01-07 22:26:00
反串?海巡?
作者: OrniG (我爱yoyoma)   2024-01-07 22:28:00
有人就是故意来挑衅的,直接黑单他不用浪费生命
作者: guardian128 (伊莉莎白欧森是我老婆)   2024-01-07 22:32:00
推楼上
作者: kobebrian (bryant)   2024-01-07 22:33:00
你说的东西进阶数据全部都能解释…到底在叽叽歪歪啥联盟前十的进阶数据是待退其他人全部退一退?
作者: kevenchia (万应白花油)   2024-01-07 22:34:00
说出大实话就好 其实没人在乎你们的黑单QQ球队老大能让7了解勇士文化也是够本了
作者: guardian128 (伊莉莎白欧森是我老婆)   2024-01-07 22:39:00
更没人在乎你讲的话吧XDDD 不在乎黑单的话还回复干嘛?乖乖闭上嘴也没人会鸟你,偏偏一直出来拉黑,可怜XD
作者: stephen0522 (玉米)   2024-01-07 22:43:00
g大好凶XD
作者: guardian128 (伊莉莎白欧森是我老婆)   2024-01-07 22:50:00
没办法,真的受不了这种硬凹的
作者: kevenchia (万应白花油)   2024-01-07 23:52:00
你气成这样看起来很在乎啊 你喜欢看烂内容你慢慢看噗没人在乎我讲的但是你气到要黑单 逻辑有料XD XD XD更何况号称个性最好的老大难道还有分什么事能做不能做吗 自助餐老大开起来==
作者: ccccccccccc (嘻嘻嘻)   2024-01-08 00:42:00
C10还好吧 不是有一年得分王C8 你当初叫咖哩辅佐谁说来听听
作者: JL46 ( (′皿`)y-~ )   2024-01-08 02:21:00
几位板友暂息雷霆吧!为免讨论过激刺激双方...小的暂行锁文~

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