[外电] 勇士的先发阵容出了什么问题?

楼主: taiwanrules (taiwanrules)   2021-01-25 22:32:30
这是一篇 ESPN Kevin Pelton (就是季初出把勇士排在西区14的那位仁兄)
回应网友提问的文章 因为他的分析比较算是看数据说话 我觉得可以参考一下
发表的时间是美国时间1/23所以数据不一定是最新的
"What's wrong with the Golden State Warriors' starting lineup?"
- Kevin, Los Angeles
Although the Warriors are currently 8-7, it's despite and not because
of their starting five. Among the league's 16 lineups that have played
at least 100 minutes together this season, Golden State's minus-14.6
net rating is far and away the worst, according to NBA Advanced Stats.
(Naturally, teams' most-used lineups tend to be pretty good, so 11 of
the 16 lineups have outscored their opponents while on the court.)
尽管勇士的战绩是不差的8-7(现在是8-8) 那并不是因为先发五人的贡献
在联盟16组打超过100分钟的lineup中 勇士先发的-14.6 net ratings是
最差而且遥遥落后 (通常一个球队最常使用的lineup应该蛮好 因此16组当中
的11组赢过对手)
Our first inclination with any outlier stat should be to look at
how it might be fluky. In this case, the Warriors' starters have
shot atypically poorly when on the court together. That lineup is
shooting 27% on 3s (25-of-93) even though the players in it are
shooting a collective 35.5% (97-of-273) in all other combinations.
Given we're talking about a sample of fewer than 100 3-point
attempts,that will surely even out to some extent.
我们要看看有没有什么离群值让这个数据只是运气成分造成的 勇士的先发五人
同时在场上的三分命中率只有27% (25/93) 而这五人在其他组合的三分命中率
却是35.5% (97/273) 因为93次出手算是小样本 之后或许某种程度会回归平均
Still, randomness alone probably can't explain how Golden State's
success this season has been almost entirely the inverse of what
I expected. I figured the Warriors would build leads with
Stephen Curry on the court and give them back when he hit the bench.
Instead, they've been better so far with Curry on the bench and
have seen only a slight offensive drop-off without the two-time
MVP despite his offensive heroics.
我本来以为勇士会在curry在场时建立领先然后在休息的时候败一些回去
相反的 他们目前在curry坐板凳时表现较好 而且在进攻方面下降不多
It does seem like opponents' ability to sell out defensively
against Curry is an issue. We've seen repeated use of box-and-one
defenses against him, starting with the Toronto Raptors replicating
their strategy from the 2019 NBA Finals and including former
Raptors assistant coach Nate Bjorkgren importing it to the
Indiana Pacers.
似乎对手针对curry的防守是个问题 自从暴龙2019冠军战开始
我们已经反复看到box-1 前暴龙助教Bjorkgren现在也把它引进溜马
One shocking stat about Golden State's starting five stands out
to me: Curry's usage rate with the starters is just 22%
of the team's plays, barely better than an average player.
一个让我震惊的数据是curry在先发五人中的使用率只有22% 只稍稍比
一般平均球员好一点
In part, Curry's immense gravity is creating opportunities
for teammates to convert at high efficiency. Wiggins is
posting a .579 true shooting percentage with the starters and
James Wiseman is at .568, both far better than their overall
marks
作者: stocktonty (前田忧佳)   2021-01-25 22:58:00
有个疑问 三分线外三夹也算是BOX-ONE?
楼主: taiwanrules (taiwanrules)   2021-01-25 23:06:00
我觉得不算吧 box1应该是一盯人四区域
作者: smik (xx)   2021-01-25 23:18:00
解决办法只有 智将 green oubre 3人其中之一成为另一个箭头而已。
楼主: taiwanrules (taiwanrules)   2021-01-25 23:23:00
目前最强lineup是curry DG AW Oubre Looney但时间26分钟 样本数太少 但比现在的先发强应该没问题
作者: Plato12 (文洛)   2021-01-25 23:24:00
或者调整乌布雷先发时间吧 我不觉得他是这样差的球员
楼主: taiwanrules (taiwanrules)   2021-01-25 23:25:00
所以最简单暴力解法就是鲁尼智将对调
作者: Plato12 (文洛)   2021-01-25 23:25:00
战术更改的问题比较大 嘴绿也说现在进攻战术跑的很不稳定
作者: smik (xx)   2021-01-25 23:28:00
问题是 鲁尼过往伤势问题 你能让他先发,但万一他炸了就真的只剩智将扛C
楼主: taiwanrules (taiwanrules)   2021-01-25 23:28:00
因为智将oubre视野太差 AW做决定太慢 强调read andreact的motion offense很难跑得动
作者: smik (xx)   2021-01-25 23:29:00
而且智将那种认真的个性,又年轻,把他换下先发可能会对他有所打击
楼主: taiwanrules (taiwanrules)   2021-01-25 23:31:00
我是觉得鲁尼时间也不用多 一开始不要挖坑后面心理压力会小很多
作者: elone (阿万师)   2021-01-25 23:36:00
Kerr学家实验时间应该也快结束了 ~
作者: smik (xx)   2021-01-25 23:38:00
换上鲁尼打先发 进攻还是给oubre 不会改善的
作者: awheaton311 (鸭肉羹最好吃)   2021-01-25 23:40:00
感觉也可以弄战术给围巾 常看到他摸不到球不知道是战术设定不给他还是他本身也不想要常常看围巾打很好 结果BOX打开还是只得20分左右奇怪 我看curry打得很烂 结果还是有快30分左右
楼主: taiwanrules (taiwanrules)   2021-01-26 00:02:00
有鲁尼green在 curry不至于开赛五分钟还出不了手围巾在先发时TS%不错 真的可以多设计给他一些
作者: CW4 (i like webber)   2021-01-26 00:24:00
https://i.imgur.com/mPpeFya.jpg这个组合还是让Curry有比较高的eFG% 只是我认为出手选择、创造机会的效率跟反过来利用Curry的吸引力都做得不够好 然后最近对手把我们当比较不能松懈的球队 变得比较会挑Wiseman打PNR 而他经验真的还不够另外虽然我之前就说智将应该会这样 可是我比较想练下去 本来二顺位要自用 练到下季派得上用场就是最低要求 不然真的是一个季后赛不能用的球员卡住补强
作者: Broyz (Roy)   2021-01-26 00:40:00
我等著看Kerr 20场后要变啥把戏,我心里是觉得嘴砲居多
作者: hiro1221 (Mistaken For Strangers)   2021-01-26 01:58:00
其实就是先发阵容外线能力除了Wiggins另外三个太弱嘴绿要防守跟组织不能换,唯一解决办法就是换掉Oubre才能解放Curry,但要补上谁好像也没特别好的选择
作者: hank7218 (迷途小书僮)   2021-01-26 07:40:00
或许是Lee
作者: ihx00 (捏加听)   2021-01-26 09:46:00
今天阿鲁先发,先换Wiseman看看吧
作者: hank7218 (迷途小书僮)   2021-01-26 09:46:00
作者: KThompson (克雷汤普森)   2021-01-26 09:58:00
终于受不了了吗XD
作者: smik (xx)   2021-01-26 09:58:00
要改测智将带二阵吧
作者: hank7218 (迷途小书僮)   2021-01-26 10:00:00
智将预计在第一节中上场,EP一样第二节开局比较像把智将跟Oubre错开
楼主: taiwanrules (taiwanrules)   2021-01-26 10:07:00
看来这场有想赢DLO这场不上 看来灰狼也想赢XD
作者: EQUP (不怒师兄)   2021-01-26 10:21:00
终于调整先发了...
作者: kaede0711 (kaede)   2021-01-26 11:37:00
看起来完全就是用Curry当诱饵在练其他人 只是效果不好而已

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