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标题: Re: [新闻] 教宗宣称演化论与大霹雳均为确论
时间: Wed Oct 29 19:07:31 2014
※ 引述《applp741 (土著)》之铭言：
: 1.媒体来源:
: 英国《独立报》
: 2.完整新闻标题/内文:
: The theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not "a
: magician with a magic wand", Pope Francis has declared.
教宗方济各表态说演化论与大霹雳是真实的，而且天主并不是“一个拿着魔杖的魔术师”
: Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope explained that both
: scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator -
: arguing instead that they "require it".
: "When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was
: a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,"
: Francis said.
在一场于宗座科学学院的演讲中，教宗解释这两个学说与造物主的存有并不冲突，反而是
“必要的”。
“当我们在‘创世纪’中读到创造万有的记载时，我们常常把天主想做一位挥挥魔杖就能
做到任何事情的魔术师。但并非尽是如此”方济各如此说道。
: "He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws
: that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment," he added.
: "The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not
: contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it,"
: the Pope noted.
: "Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because
: evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve."
“祂创造了人类并给予他们关于改变的内在规律，借此使他们达到圆满”他补充。
“我们现今视作世界起源的大霹雳，与神的创造并不冲突，反而是其中的重要一部分”
教宗指出。
“而自然的演化也与万物的被造不冲突，因为演化提供了受造物们改变的契机”
: The Catholic Church has long had a reputation for being anti-science – most
: famously when Galileo faced the inquisition and was forced to retract his “
: heretic” theory that the Earth revolved around the Sun.
: But Pope Francis’s comments were more in keeping with the progressive work
: of Pope Pius XII, who opened the door to the idea of evolution and actively
: welcomed the Big Bang theory. In 1996, John Paul II went further and
: suggested evolution was “more than a hypothesis” and “effectively proven
: fact”.
: Yet more recently, Benedict XVI and his close advisors have apparently
: endorsed the idea that intelligent design underpins evolution – the idea
: that natural selection on its own is insufficient to explain the complexity
: of the world. In 2005, his close associate Cardinal Schoenborn wrote an
: article saying “evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but
: evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense – an unguided, unplanned process – is
: not”.
长久以来天主教都保有“反对科学”的名声，最为著名的就是伽利略被迫收回他“异端的”
日心说这件事。
不过教宗方济各的观点可说是延续自那位对演化论打开大门并直接欢迎大霹雳学说的教宗
庇护十二世的立场。接着在1996年教宗若望保禄二世更进一步的表示演化论“不只是个假
说”且是“一个受到有力证明的事实”。
而在近年教宗本笃十六世与他的亲信顾问则十分明显的赞同神导演化论的观点－此一观点
认为自然发展并不能解释为何世界如此复杂。2005年时他一个亲信史裘博恩枢机曾撰文表
示“关于演化自共同祖先的说法可能是真的，不过关于新达尔文主义所说的演化是毫无计
画与章法的说法则否”
: Giovanni Bignami, a professor and president of Italy’s National Institute
: for Astrophysics, told the Italian news agency Adnkronos: “The pope’s
: statement is significant. We are the direct descendents from the Big Bang
: that created the universe. Evolution came from creation.”
: Giulio Giorello, professor of the philosophy of science at Milan’s
: University degli Studi, told reporters that he believed Francis was “trying
: to reduce the emotion of dispute or presumed disputes” with science.
意大利国家天文研究所主席乔凡尼.贝格梅受意大利国家通讯社Adnkronos采访时说“教宗
的发言主旨很明确，我们生活于诞生自大霹雳的宇宙，而演化源自于创造”
米兰大学的科学哲学教授朱利奥.裘里洛则告诉采访者他相信方济各是对“试图降低关于科
学的对立情绪以及潜在的冲突”
: Despite the huge gulf in theological stance between his tenure and that of his predecessor, Francis praised Benedict XVI as he unveiled a bronze bust of him at the academy's headquarters in the Vatican Gardens.
:“No one could ever say of him that study and science made him and his love for God and his neighbour wither,” Francis said, according to a translation by the Catholic News Service.
:“On the contrary, knowledge, wisdom and prayer enlarged his heart and his spirit. Let us thank God for the gift that he gave the church and the world with the existence and the pontificate of Pope Benedict.”
尽管与他的前任在神学立场上有极大的不同，教宗方济各依然以在科学院位于梵蒂冈花园
的总部为本笃十六世的铜像揭幕来表扬他。
“没有人可以说他的研究和科学会降低他对天主以及他们近人的爱”方济各说。
（原文有说该段发言取自天主教新闻社的翻译，与翻成中文无关故略）
“相反的，知识智慧和祈祷开拓了他的胸怀以及精神。让我们感谢天主的赠与，因祂使得
教会与全世界得以存在以及教宗本笃十六世这位宗座”
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简单来说教宗方济各的观点是承袭自庇护十二世、若望保禄二世以及在世的本笃十六世的
观点。

弥尔顿曾去探望伽俐略XD & 当时教皇其实是站在阿略那边。巴森是把这段历史说成是 "这一切都是那些满脑子圣经狂热的革命份子造成的"(新教) 因为之前天主教其实没有纯按字面解经的，圣奥古斯丁<<忏悔录>>就明说“如果我享有最高权威而著述，我宁愿如此写，使每人在我的文字中看到他们每人对事事的正确见解，不愿仅仅表达一种正确意义而排斥其他一切并不错误、并不与我牴触的见解…摩西下笔时，定已想到我们在这些文字中所能发现、所不能发现、及尚未发现而可能发现的真理”。演化论的成功，在早期其实是经过挣扎的，许多不同的生物学家其实都有不同意见包括居维叶http://tinyurl.com/9w4kda 而今新无神论运动则将新达尔文主义奉为唯一真理，并把两者完全结合在一块，认为不认同的人全是愚昧、败坏、傻瓜....这当然包括所有宗教跟不同意见的无神论及学者XD 对，包括不认同、提出任何质疑的无神论者在内XDhttp://tinyurl.com/m2y8swt 结果这些人比他们排斥的基督教右派还更加不容忍XD 我个人不愿意因为学术论见不同而阻碍人有任何信仰的可能，以此为出发点，我发现很多东西并非我先前想像的非此即彼，包括历史发展都是如此。如果极端的两派会让更多人往中间靠拢，我倒是很开心能有如此良性发展XD http://tinyurl.com/qbrav7a 结论:选择还是个人决定，生命的观点只能自己去发现吧，放宽心胸倒是没有损失，眼界开展总是好事，我是很喜欢新鲜感的XD 其实有时我倒觉得是这反而会让我去寻找一些东西，甚至从前的教条也不再是死的。

教宗一直是挺伽利略 但到了最后保守派压力太大不得不送他受审 但从轻发落实际上教会一直是科学研究最大的赞助者

正如版上大家所知，教宗的谈话内容并不新颖，可愚昧的网友却大惊小怪。可见绝大多数台湾人对基督信仰的无知已经到了令人发指的程度。

日心说在伽利略那个时代是非常激进的看法大多数人都无法接受

就输了民调啊.....XD

送审不是保守派压力太大，是伽利略自己太白目克卜勒就抱怨过这类事情

伽利略白目也是啦 他的一些作为惹火了一直保护他的教宗朋友

有点新发现新思想的人有时很难不白目的.....orz 什么温和稳重很少兼顾的

哥白尼和克卜勒都一生毫不白目

哥白尼发表他的发现时 教会还鼓励他赶快出版呢!

还有很多人以为哥白尼被烧死了