https://boards.4chan.org/vt/thread/69804931
No.69822980
I take it you have noticed the "grassroot" push to shift the narrative that I'
d mentioned in a thread a couple of days ago.
This is only the beginning. The livers in question plan to make an even bigger
splash in anticipation of Elira's return to streaming. They came to the
conclusion the backlash is negligible, and that they can easily control their
communities with 4-week subscriber chats, membership streams, and heavy
moderation.
我想大家都注意到,我前几天在某个帖子中提到从“基层”开始推动转变叙事方式的情
况。
但这仅仅是个开始。在Elira回归直播之前,那些有问题的Liver计划引起更大的轰动。
而他们得出的结论是,那些反弹只是微不足道,他们可以通常限制4星期以上的订阅者、
会限及严格的Mod来轻易控制他们的社群
Uki Violeta has been given a suspension, but management did not specify a set
duration. He is already flirting with the idea of engaging his fanbase and
nyfco for a twitter counter-attack. The livers are trying to distance
themselves while walking on eggshells.
Uki已被停播,但管理层没有确定停播的期限。他已经考虑让他的粉丝及nyfco(中之人
的网站)参考推特的反击。Livers一方面试图保持距离,一方面小心翼翼地做事。
Yes, the "support the artists" was a premeditated PR initiative. No, it did
not come from management. There have been discussions on discord, and some
livers took it to themselves to tweet. They were brainstorming ideas and
checking with each other about how they should form their tweets.
无错,“支持创作者”是一场有预谋的公关动作。不过这并非来自管理层。他们在DC上
进行讨论,部份Livers自发地发推,他们正一起集思广益及互相讨论如何撰写推文。
Vox was not given a suspension, as far as I know, he simply opted to take a
break (citing mental health), even though management encouraged him to have a
membership stream.
据我所知,Vox并没有被停播,他只是选择了休息(理由是心理健康),尽管管理层鼓励
他开会限。
Enna, Millie, Elira, and Reimu have clamped up. Most of us have no idea what
they've been told, but they have indeed been separately "coached" by the PR
managers, as well as legal.
Enna、Millie、Elira及Reimu都保持沉默。我们大部份人都不知道她们被告知了什么,
但是她们的确分别接受了公关经理及法务的“指导”。
Rosemi, Scarle, Fulgur, Petra, Hex, and Meloco have been noticeably more
distant.
Rosemi、Scarle、Fulgur、Petra、Hex及Meloco的关系明显地疏远了。
Enna complained (extensively) about the noticeable decrease in revenue, in the
wake of her latest "special" stream.
Enna对于她最近的“特别”直播收入大幅减少而大声抱怨。
Some livers have taken to calling Dokibird "Dookiebird".
部份Livers称呼Dokibird是“Dookiebird”。
A lot of discussion about "dramatubers" on discord, but Slack is spotless.
在Discord上有很多关于“Dramatubers”的讨论,但在Slack之中是毫无痕迹。
A lot of paranoid schizophrenia manifesting as fear of typing anything out on
discord, with the livers opting to hop on Voice Chat even for simple
confirmations / refusals.
If you have questions ask away, so long as they don't jeopardize my OPSEC and
non-disclosure and non-disparage agreements.
有很多偏执性精神分裂症表现出害怕在Discord中输入任何内容,即使是简单的确认或是
拒绝,Livers也会选择使用语音聊天。
如果你有问题,只要不违反本人的网络作业安全、保密及非贬低协议之下会尽量回答。
No.69823192
A twitter counter-attack against what?
Also why do they think the backlash and that Elira has lost a year of
subscriber growth is negligible?
在推特反击什么?
而且他们怎么认为反弹及Elira失去过去一年的订阅者增长是微不足道?
No.69823741
Livers were initially afraid of the sheer backlash, making their streams
unmanageable. They now believe they can comfortably moderate their streams and
employ methods that make the issue moot.
They believe they overestimated the backlash they would get in their streams,
in the form of chat and incendiary superchats.
Livers最初的确害怕引起强烈反弹,令他们的直播变得难以管理。现在他们相信他们能够
轻松地管理他们的直播,并采取一些方法去解决这个问题。
他们认为他们高估了反弹对于直播、聊天室及攻击性SC的影响。
They have lamented over the loss in subscribers, concurrent viewers, and
revenue, but they were considerably more afraid of their career ending. I know
people on 4channel like to joke about 2% merchandise cuts, but the reality is
that livers live very comfortable lives in comparison to what they were
making in their Past Lives.
他们的确对于订阅数、同接及收入感到痛惜,但是他们更害怕他们职业生涯的完结。我知
道4chan经常拿2%周边收入来开玩笑,但现实是与他们的前世收入相比,Livers们现在的
生活非常舒适。
No.69823336
Uki isn't suspended, he streamed with Doppio yesterday. Other than that, I'd
believe it
Uki没有被停播,他昨天还与Doppio连动。除此之外,我相信你。
No.69823741
Uki has been suspended, this is not speculative. He mentioned it on discord
and an entire argument broke out. When a liver (from ILUNA) asked for the
duration, he replied he didn't know if there even is a set duration.
Uki的确被停播,这不是推处。他已经在Discord提及这件事并引发了一场争论。其中一位
Livers(来自ILUNA)询问期限时,他回答他不知道是否设定了固定期限。
No.69823531
While I don't want you to specify or reply to this post since NDA/NDisA may be
able to be de-anonymized, I'm shocked that this wouldn't breach either/or as
is.
虽然我不想你因为具体说明或回答这个帖子而被NDA/NDisA去匿名化,我很惊讶这不会令你
违约。
No.69823741
I know for a fact this much does not breach the agreements, because at least 2
other livers have divulged considerably more information anonymously, in
another website. The management was made aware, and it was concluded that they
were not in breach.
我所知道的这样没有违反协议,因为至少有另外2位Livers在其他网站匿名地透露更多资
料,而管理层已经发现这件事,而结论是他们没有违反协议。
No.69823616
I'll bite. How are they viewing the stain on their company that has breached
containment into the normiesphere?
我相信了。那么他们是如何看待自己公司的污点已经出圈了?
No.69823741
As soon as the tutoring/coaching session ended (PR managers that were either
hired for this express purpose or PR managers from main branch, I don't know)
we have not gotten a lot of information about what happens moving forward. I
know for a fact Elira, Enna, Millie, and Reimu received more tutoring/
communication, but I don't know what it entailed.
They simply stressed we should go back to streaming as soon as possible,
provided we are certain we can control our community and avoid infractions.
当辅导或指导会议结速后(我不知道公关经理是特聘还是从虹JP来的),我们没有得到更
多关于之后会发生什么的资讯。
我只知道Elira、Enna、Millie及Reimu接受了更多的辅导或沟通,但我不知道具体内容。
他们只是强调我们应该尽快恢复直播,只是我们须确保能够控制社群并避免违规行为。
No.69823905
>>I know for a fact this much does not breach the agreements
Surely that would be down to clique in-groupness rather than the written NDA.
Frankly this response reduces my assessment of plausibility, but a "I didn't
read the NDA" response preserves anonymity at least.
Don't respond further to this line of discussion.
当然这取决于公司内的派系而不是书面上的保密协议。老实说,这回复降低了我对这件事
的合理性,但“我没有阅读保密协定”的回复最少保留了匿名性。
不要对这个讨论作出进一步回复。
No.69824442
No, I genuinely know that it would not be in breach of the agreements, because
two other livers were effectively caught leaking information with express
timelines and names, as well as directing third parties to disclose a coworker
's PII. Management concluded they were not in breach.
I have spoken to legal counsel. I am not an idiot.
不是,我确实知道这不会违反保密协议,因为有另外2位Livers在泄漏资料时被抓住了,
而泄漏的资料有明确的时间表及姓名,还指使第三方泄漏同事的个人隐私,而管理层认为
他们没有违反相关协议。
我已经和法律顾问谈过了,我不是白痴。
No.69823938
>He mentioned it on discord and an entire argument broke out
A discussion about what? Were most livers against his suspension or were they
split on that?
>Some livers have taken to calling Dokibird "Dookiebird".
Clique livers only?
Also, why are you doing this? Do you dislike your work in nijien? What are you
trying to accomplish? Do you hold a grudge? Why not just quit.
关于什么的讨论?大多数Livers是反对他被停播还是分成两派?
只有那个小圈子Livers吗?
此外,为什么你要这样做?你不喜欢你在虹EN的工作?你想达到什么乳的?你是怀恨在心
吗?那么为什么不辞职离开?
No.69824442
An argument about "dramatubers", the nature of racism, and lamentations about
white people.
I have personally seen 6 people type the "pet name" out on discord. I don't
know if there are more than have used it in voice calls.
I gave my "two-week" notice more than 4 months ago. Interestingly enough, that
's not how it works in NijisanjiEN. Shame on me for not carefully reading the
contract.
关于“Dramatubers”的争论,种族歧视的本质及对白人的哀叹。
我亲眼看到6个人在Discord中打出“Dookiebird”。而我不知道有没有更多人在语音中使
用这个字。
我在四个月前已经发出我的“两个星期”通知。有趣地这并不适用于虹EN。我对于没有仔
细阅读合约内容感到惭愧。
No.69823944
1. when do the next two graduations happen/ are announced, did they move it
cause you leaked it?
2. personal rrat: was rosemi selens manager and that is why she seems to feel
guilty? I was wondering if she was just pushing info along as "manager" and
was just following orders, ever since the follow the rose comment you made,
assuming youre actually LK
ignore 2nd if thats dangerous for you.
1. 那么之后两个毕业会何时发行或公告?他们会否因为你泄漏而延后毕业?
2. 个人问题:Rosemi是Selen的经纪人,这就是她现在感到内疚的原因?我想知道她是否
只是以“经纪人”身份发布资讯并奉命行事,假设你是LK并发表了“follow the rose”的
评论之后。
如果第2点对你有危险,请忽略。
No.69824442
It was another liver that leaked the graduations. I never used the LK alias in
any of my posts.
No, Rosemi was not a manager. Rosemi was never quite *in* the clique, but she
was a satellite. The worst she's done was nervous laughs when coworkers were
disparaged in front of her. It's up to you whether you deem her an accessory
or a victim. I never liked how they treated her, it reminded me of Nina's
treatment (before she unfortunately embraced it and fell in line).
I did not make the "follow the rose" post. I have only made two posts
regarding Rosemi, and it was about the "save me pink girl" tweet, and about
how characterizing her as "in cahoots" was not accurate.
是另一位Liver泄漏了毕业的资料,我从来没有在任何帖子自称LK。
不,Rosemi不是经纪人,她甚至不算是Elira帮,但她算是依附着她们的。她做过最恶劣
的事是,当有同事在她面前被贬低时,她会紧张地大笑。而这究竟是帮凶还是受害者,就
在乎你怎样看待。我从来不喜欢他们这样对待她,这让我想起了Nina的遭遇(在她不幸受
到这种遭遇并配合她们之前)3。
我没有发表过“follow the rose”的帖子。我只发表过2次关于Rosemi的帖子,一次是关
于“save me pink girl”的推文,另一次是否定她属于Elira帮。
No.69824149
1. Did livers discuss that they should answer to baiters on twitter? Did they
really think that would be a good idea? Did they try consulting PR first?
2. Is Scarle really being bullied somehow like some anons like to believe?
1. Livers曾否进行过讨论,他们应该对那些钓鱼言论回答吗?他们是否真的认为这是个
好主意吗?他们是否曾经尝试与公关部门进行咨询?
2. Scarle是否像一些匿名者选择相信那样被欺负了吗?
No.69824888
Yes, there were lengthy discussions.
Scarle is not really associating too closely with coworkers, understandably.
She is keeping a professional demeanor, is polite to everyone, and generally
accommodating. She distanced herself after livers grouped-up and effectively
pressured her to make-up with another liver, to signal how close they are.
This is not at all uncommon in NijisanjiEN. These types of "interventions" are
commonplace.
是的,这已经进行了长时间的讨论。
Scarle并没有与同事真正建立了很密切的关系,这是可以理解的。她保持着专业的风度,
对每个人都很有礼貌,总括而言为人随和。当那些Livers开始组成小圆圈并有效地强迫她
与另一位Liver和好以表明她们很亲近时,她与她们保持一定距离。而这些事件在虹EN之
中并不罕见,这种类型的“干预”是司空见惯的。
No.69824186
Are people turning on each other? Is there a chance we get to see public spats
between livers?
人们之间会互相攻击吗?我们有没有机昃看到Livers在公开场合之中争吵吗?
No.69824888
No, people are not really turning on each other. People are distancing
themselves and creating tight-knit groups, while maintaining the veneer of a
big functional family.
不,人们并不会真正的互相攻击。他们会互相疏远并建立更紧密的团体,同时表面上保持
著一个功能强大的大家庭外貌。
No.69824380
Who's idea was the black screen - talent or someone in management?
那个黑色萤幕是谁想的主意——是某位成员还是某个管理层?
No.69824888
I don't know, to be honest. Elira talked with the main branch, and then after
some back-and-forth she, Millie, and Vox told us to retweet the "stream". I
presume some livers watched it before retweeting/quote tweeting, but I didn't.
老实说,我不知道。Elira与虹JP进行沟通,经过几次互相交流之后,她、Millie及Vox告
诉我们去转推那个“直播”。我想或者有些Livers在转发之前曾经看过那段影片,但我没
有。
No.69824658
>>69815442
She is even playing FF14 alone when Millie has been collabing with others like
Fulgur and Vanta.
>>69816536
https://i.imgur.com/UHBXow6.png cool kids only
>>69816744
https://i.imgur.com/IkTqH4u.jpeg Anons.
Look at the top right.
Its even the same server. They cant even put up the excuse of using different
servers. They actually dont want her in.
Explain
>>69815442
她自己一个人玩FF14,而Millie与其他成员进行连动如Fulgur及Vanta。
>>69816536
只限酷孩子
>>69816744
各位。看看右上方。甚至是同一个服务器。他们无法用不同服务器作为借口。他们实际上
就是不想她加入
请解释
No.69825120
You were spot on in your deductions in that thread. I have nothing to add.
你在那个帖子找到的线索作出的推断很准确。我没有任何须要补充的。
No.69824528
>I gave my "two-week" notice more than 4 months ago. Interestingly enough,
that's not how it works in NijisanjiEN. Shame on me for not carefully reading
the contract.
Shit, so you can't just quit?
How long are you going to be stuck at nijien for?
When you finally manage to graduate, how will we know who you are? I'd like to
support you if you keep streaming.
Shi
妈的,所以你不能够直接离开?
你还须要呆在虹EN多长时间?
当你终于能够准备毕业时,我们怎么知道你是谁?如果你继续直播的话,我愿意支持你。
No.69825120
I know you have been joking about a queue. Well, there effectively is a queue.
You can technically leave, but that you open you up for liability, suits, and
severance fines.
I don't think I will go back to streaming after this. At least for a good
white.
我知道你们一直拿排队来开玩笑。嗯,实际上的确有一个队列。技术上你可能随时离开,
但是会让你承担责任、诉讼及遣散费的问题。
我想这件事之后我不会继续直播了。最少会是一段时间之后。(原文应该是while)
No.69824645
Ok, another question.
Are you the only liver, that you know of, that tried to give your notice but
got fucked by the contract and is now stuck there?
好的,另一个问题。
据你所知,你是否唯一一个Livers尝试发出离职通知但发现被合约绑住了而无法离开吗?
No.69825120
I only know of two livers that have confirmed talking with HR about contract
termination. There could be more, but I am keeping virtually everyone at an
arm's length.
我只知道有2个Livers已经证实与人事部讨论关于终止合约的问题。可能会有更多,但我
现在几乎与任何成员保持一定的距离。
No.69824963
Please, tell me that Doppio is a good guy.
请,告诉我Doppio是个好人。
No.69825746
We're not close, but he appears to be a good guy. No issues whatsoever. Not
going to say more, lest you figure out my gen.
我们不是很亲密,但他看起来是个好人。没有发生过任何问题。我不想多说了,避免你知
道我是哪一期的。
No.69825005
>she, Millie, and Vox told us to retweet the "stream"
>I presume some livers watched it before retweeting/quote tweeting, but I didn
't
Were some livers upset after they found out the content of said stream? Anyone
felt betrayed? I sure would feel.
有没有部份Livers在发现直播的内容后感到不安?有没有人感到受背叛吗?我肯定感觉
到。
No.69825746
You appear to be assuming it was a livestream.
你看起来假设这是一个直播。
No.69825038
https://i.imgur.com/JG3ci8j.png
This is a bit more personal and I don't expect you to know, but what's with
Kotoka? Is it mental issues, is she distancing herself or is she suspended?
这个有点个人问题,我不预计你会知道,但你知道Kotoka怎样了?她是心理问题、与其他
成员保持距离还是被停播了?
No.69825746
Sorry, no idea. We were told it was something stress-related, and she only
mentioned stepping back for mental health issues.
对不起,不知道。我们被告知的是关于压力的问题,而她也只提及是因为心理健康问题而
暂时离开。
No.69825060
>Millie
Is she part of the management as well?
那么她(Millie)是否管理层的一份子?
No.69825746
There's no actual concrete management in NijisanjiEN. For the regular liver
the closest thing to a manager is Elira. Millie and Enna are her little
helpers. Unless of course you want to jump through hoops, trying to ping
people on Slack and being passed around all the while receiving contradictory
instructions.
虹EN实际上并没有具体的管理架构。对于一般的Liver,最接近的管理层是Elira。而
Millie及Enna是她的小助手。除非你想跳过重重的关卡,否则在Slack之中向人们发出讯
息只会被传来传去,并同时收到互相矛盾的指示。
No.69825150
https://i.imgur.com/hHAEa1u.png
Assuming this is from the same person.
个人假设这是来自同一个人。
No.69825746
Yes, this was a post I made.
是的,这是我所发出的帖子。
No.69825246
>I know you have been joking about a queue. Well, there effectively is a queue
. You can technically leave, but that you open you up for liability, suits,
and severance fines.
How long is the queue? Is it just for NijiEN or do you have to wait for the JP
graduations too?
那个队列多长?那个队列是否只限于虹EN,还是连虹JP也包括在内?
No.69825746
A liver had to wait close to a year, and another had to wait a little over six
months. Beats me.
某个Liver须要等待接近一年,而另一个则等待六个月多。我不知道。
No.69825262
Are you aware of any other communication from up above other than PR people
and those you've mentioned already?
你知道除了那些公关人员及已经提及的成员之外,还有其他与高层的沟通方法吗?
No.69825746
Elira is in communications with the main branch as well as NijisanjiEN "
managers" that interestingly enough can't really speak english, but I don't
know the specifics on who she's in contact with or what that entails. As for
the rest of us, we've talked with HR during orientation, the onboarding
managers, and the PR managers just recently.
Elira会与虹JP及虹EN的经纪人进行沟通,有趣的就他们不会说英语,但是我不知道她与
谁接触的具体情况,也不知道沟通的具体内容。而其他人如我们,关于方针时会与人事部
沟通,培训时的经纪人,以及最近的公关经理。
No.69825323
Has there been any communication/fallout from JP management? The fact that the
CEO himself made a video bowing and addressing the situation shows that they'
re at least a bit concerned about the entire shitshow.
Also, just curious on how the whole debacle has affected the newly joined
livers like victoria. She seems to be siding with the company, if what you're
saying is true. Regardless, it's going to be a massive uphill battle for them.
请问JP的管理层是否有任何沟通及影响?事实上,CEO已经制作了一段鞠躬道歉兼会解决
问题的影片,这表明他们至少对于整个烂摊子有点担心。
此外,我很好奇这场灾难对于新加入的成员如Victoria有什么影响。如果你说的是真的,
她似乎是站在公司那一边。无论如何,对于他们来说,这是一场很艰钜的战斗。
No.69826120
The only communication we've gotten was in the form of the tutoring/debriefing
from the PR team.
Again, Elira, Enna, Millie, and Reimu got further communication, but I don't
know what that entailed.
Newer members are understandably not intimate with how things work, and might
believe most, if not all, of what's been happening is not representative of
reality. They might genuinely believe their "family" is infallible, and
everything's an elaborate mischaracterization. You cannot overestimate
ignorance and preconceived notions.
我们得到的唯一沟通是公关团队的辅导及解说。
再说一遍,Elira、Enna、Millie及Reimu得到进一步的沟通,但我不知道这意味着什么。
可以理解的是,新成员对于事情如何运作并不熟悉,他们可能会认为,即使不是全部,现
在发生的大部份事情也不能代表着事实。他们可能真的相信他们的“大家庭”是绝对正确
的,一切都是精心策划的错误描述。你不能够高估无知及先入为主的观念。
No.69825589
Are you upset with your fans for defending the company? I'm assuming you don't
let them know about your unfortunate situation but are you looking for
options outside? Like a real world job, trade, etc?
你对于你的粉丝为公司辩护感到难过吗?我想你不会让他们知道你身处于不幸的环境,但
是你会寻求外面的选项吗?例如现实中的工作,交易等?
No.69826120
I am effectively living a double-life. I have emotionally distanced myself
enough to not let it affect me too much. Yes, I am actively considering my
options and making plans.
实际上我以两个身份生活着。情感上我会让自己保持了保够的距离,不会袭它对我产生太
大的影响。是的,我正在积极地考虑我的选择并制定计划中。
No.69825713
I know I'm just an anon, but for your own mental health, it sounds like it's
time to lawyer/solicitor up (more than you already have), see how you can
mitigate your exposure, and perhaps grit your teeth and set aside some of your
rainy day fund to pay out the minimum fine possible.
Getting ahead of a potential Selen-esque smear by priming your trusted
contacts with social media followings to get a message out and soften your
reputational damage wouldn't hurt either, even if you plan on taking a break
from streaming for a while.
Good luck.
我知道我只是路人,但是为了你的心理健康,听起来是时候聘请律师(比你现时有的更
多),看看如何降低你的风险,也许可以咬紧牙关,拿出一些应急资金来减少可能的罚
款。
在未来可能出现的Selen式诽谤前,与你信任的联络人及社交媒体粉丝建立联系,传达适
当的资讯以减轻你的名誉受损,这不会有什么坏处,即使你的计划是暂时停止直播一段
时间。
祝你好运。
No.69826120
This was the first thing I did. Fortunately I have a solid support structure
outside the industry, which includes family and real life friends.
这是我已做的第一件事。幸运的事,这行业之外我有很强硬的支持,包括我的家人及真实
朋友。
No.69825527
I do have a couple questions:
Have the livers that are still inside the company changed their feelings
towards it?
For example, have they been talking back against management more often or
expressed their disappointment in it?
And second, have any of them supported the decisions made by the graduated or
terminated livers like Pomu or Selen?
我有几个问题:
仍然在公司的Livers是否改善了他们对公司的看法?
例如,他们会否更频密地反驳管理层,或者表达他们对这件事的失望?
其次,他们之中有没有人支持像Pomu或Selen这样的Livers一样决定毕业或解约?
No.69826569
Yes, "jokes" about the branch shutting down and going unemployed are something
of a regular pastime. They never quite go so far as to attack the company,
but they let it slip often.
The only "correct" stance to take is to bemoan the damage Selen has done, and
how even though her qualms are justified (no one dares to minimize suicide
outright), the "dramatubers" and toxic antis blew it out of proportion and
mischaracterized the whole ordeal. This is the gestalt. They often qualify how
serious and scary suicide is, only to proceed to besmirch and attack Selen's
character. Duplicity is a forte of many.
是的,对于分部关闭并失业的“笑话”是他们一种常见的消遣。他们从来没有攻击过公
司,但容许她经常错漏百出。
唯一“正确”的立场是抱怨Selen所作出的伤害,以及尽管她的疑虑是合理的(没有人敢
完全淡化自杀这件事),那些“Dramatubers”及有毒的黑粉是如何将这件事跨大,并错
误地描述整个审判。这就是格式塔。他们经常说自杀是多么的严重及可怕,但是最后却
玷污及攻击了Selen的形象。口是心非是很多人的长处。
No.69825643
Question:
Why are you feeling so comfortable on sharing so many details? They could
easily guess who you are, are you not worried about it?
问题:
为什么你会那么舒畅地分享那么多细节?这样不会令他们容易猜出你是谁,你不担心吗?
No.69826569
They cannot afford to action against me, even if they managed to figure out
who I am. What I am doing is considerably more benign than what others have
done, without so much as getting a suspension.
即使他们设法找到我是谁,他们也负担不起对我采取行动的成本。我所做出的事情比起其
他人所做出的温和很多,我甚至没有被停播。
No.69825711
Are any of the organs openly seething about Doki's success?
I'm not asking for names, just if there are any.
有没有任何人公开地对Doki的成功感到愤怒?
我不是询问任何名字,只是想知道有没有。
No.69826569
Yes, predictably. Very much so.
是的,不出所料。有很多。
No.69826190
Last questions from me: have the livers ever talked about the harassment that
Zaion got when she was terminated? did anyone of them feel bad about throwing
her under the bus? were finana and kotoka encouraged to talk bad about her?
我的最后一个问题:有没有Livers谈论过Zaion被解约时所受到的霸凌?他们有没有人因
为将她扔下公共汽车而感到难过吗?Finana及Kotota是否被鼓励去说她的坏话?
No.69826569
Expressing solidarity or coming to the defense of Zaion is verboten in
NijisanjiEN. You have to realize what the culture is like. I am sure a lot of
us were awestruck she was terminated over such minor infractions, but no one
outwardly expressed it.
There is only one "correct" opinion.
在虹EN之中,声援或者为Zaion辩护是完全被禁止的。你必须认知到整个环境是怎样。我
们很多人都对她因为轻微的违规行为而被解约感到震惊,但是没有人会表达出来。
这里只能够有一个“正确”的意见。
No.69826194
What happened with Scarle's stuff? Did she take it down? Did management make
her?
Scarle发生什么事?是她把它取消的吗?还是营运要求她的吗?
No.69826930
If you are referring to Valentine's, it was most likely miscommunication and
time management.
If you are referring to the hearted comment, she was technically reprimanded,
but no action was taken, and it was not considered to be a major infraction.
Management cannot afford to make martyrs out of livers.
如果你是说关于情人节,那很可能是沟通问题或者时间管理问题。
如果你是说留言按心事件,技术上她已受到谴责,但是没有采取任何实际行动,这并不认
为是重大的违规行为。管理层不能承受更多Livers成为烈士。
No.69826272
Any talks/rumors about planning new attacks on Doki? And (a long shot) on Sayu
?
有没有任何对Doki进行新攻击的对话或传闻?(更长远来说)或者是Sayu?
No.69826930
I suspect they are going to keep fabricating PR initiatives and grassroot
stunts. A recently graduated liver expressly agreed to get in touch with
influencers and twitter personalities, after all.
我怀疑他们会继续编造公关行动或是基层的噱头。毕竟,一个刚毕业的Liver明确地同意
与有影响力的人士及推特名人保持接触及联系。
No.69826380
What happened to the 3D pipeline that keeps it stuck with Obsydia still having
nothing a solid year later? Has there been any revolt or any other unpleasant
reactions for this long wait?
究竟3D化的进度发生什么事,Obsydia在一整年之后仍然没有得到任何东西?对于这漫长
的等待,是否有任何反抗或者不愉快的反应?
No.69826930
Just a lot of confusion and disappointment. It's not even a major point of
discussion, all things considered.
只是充满了困惑及失望。综合来说,这甚至不是讨论的重点。
No.69826851
1. Is the clique real?
2. How much influence does Elira really have?
3. Can you provide some insights on the specific reason why some livers left?
a. Pomu
b. Kyo (like he was allegedly a close friend of Enna, so one would think he
was not really antagonized)
c. Selen (do you know of any specific case of bullying against her by other
talents)
1. Elira帮是真的存在吗?
2. Elira的影响力到底有多大?
3. 你对于以下Livers离开的具体原因作出一些见解吗?
a. Pomu
b. Kyo(他被认为是Enna的亲密朋友,所以人们认为他没有被对立的)
c. Selen(你知道她被其他成员霸凌的具体例子吗?)
No.69827054
Yes.
A lot. Outsized.
Mismanagement. Lack of clear goals. Stagnation. Lack of structure. High-school
politics. Miscommunication. Sabotage / ostracization.
1. 真的。
2. 很多,还很大。
3. 管理不善。缺乏明确目标。发展停滞。缺乏结构。高中生的政治。沟通不良。蓄意破
坏或排斥。
No.69827064
Is Eliera the sole liaison between the EN japanese management? Or is there
anyone else their with enough clout/trust with the actual management who can
match her? Because it sounds to me like she's been selling herself as the
perfect subordinate, and since Japan's culture has a heavy focus on willing
senpai-kouhia thing, is that how she has the power she does?
那么Elira是否与虹EN日本管理层之间的唯一联络人?或者,在实际的管理层中,还有其
他人可以与Elira一样有足够的影响力及信任吗?因为在我眼中,她一直标榜自己是完美
的下属,而日本的文化非常注重上下属的关系,她是怎样拥有这样的权力吗?
No.69827064
I know Petra used to help out at first, but she withdrew and just stopped
engaging. I don't know what transpired.
以我所知最初是Petra负责的,但之后她就退出并不再参与了。我不知道发生了什么事。
No.69827230
Could we get a name or hint as to the next graduation is?
我们可以知道下一个毕业成员的名字或者提示吗?
No.69827549
I honestly do not know, because even though there's effectively a queue, the
places in that queue are not known to me.
老实说我不知道,因为即使知道实际上有一个队列,我也不知道队列之中的位置。
No.69827246
Do you know if the internal investigation finished and if they're going to
terminate Elira or the clique or not?
你知道内部调查是否已经完成,他们会否对Elira或者她的小圆圈进行解约吗?
No.69827549
Well, when it comes to us that are only tangentially relevant, the
investigation is probably finished. I don't know about the ones directly
implicated.
好吧,当涉及到我们一些无关重要的事情时,调查就可能完成了。我不知道那些直接受到
牵连的人会怎样。
No.69827286
Do people feel Selen overreacted or is there non-discord communication that
things were bad
有没有人认为Selen反应过度,或者一些非Discord的沟通方法表示情况不太好
No.69827549
No one is callous or bold enough to assert that, because suicide is a big deal
in this "culture", but many have insinuated that she overreacted or that the
dramatubers made it a bigger deal than it is. There are some that even tacitly
asserted that what was alleged in the documents does not actually constitute
harassment because there was no physical violence employed.
Some people are genuinely morally insolvent or solipsistic.
没有人是冷血无情或者大胆地断言,因为自杀在这种“文化”中是一件大事,但是很多人
都认为她反应过度,或者那些“Dramatubers”将整件事形容得比实际情况更严重。有些
人甚至默认,文件中的指控实际上并不构成霸凌,因为没有身体上的暴力。
有些人真的道德沦亡或者唯我论。
No.69827314
It's obvious that graduated liver is Kyo, confirmed by Daph's recent attacks
against Doki, anons keep coping about Pomu's "solidarity" with Doki but her
interactions with not-Nina (who had no problem being friendly with not-Kyo)
make believe she's more likely to openly side with Elira than to do it with
Doki.
显而易见毕业的Liver是Kyo,最近39daph针对Doki的攻击证实了这点,大家一直应对
Pomu与Doki的“团结”,但是她与Nina(她与除了Kyo之外都很友好没有问题),互动令
人相信她更可能公开地站在Elira那边,而不是Doki。
No.69827549
Nina was the recipient of very much the same flavor of harassment as Selen,
but she very quickly internalized her place in the hierarchy. Selen was
independent, ambitious, and honest. This was her gravest sin.
Nina曾受到与Selen类似的霸凌事件,但是她很快就内化自己并在等级制度中找到自己的
位置。而Selen个性独立、雄心勃勃、以及诚实。这是她最严重的罪。
No.69828167
I won't be able to provide concrete information that would substantiate my
assertions, because I genuinely don't know much when it comes to future events
. I keep my interactions to a bare minimum, and have been for a while now.
Finally, I don't know how the original LK poster was, but I posit they must
have been a liver. I don't think a moderator would be privy to imminent
graduations.
我无法提供具体的证据来证实我的断言,因为我真的不知道未来会发生什么。我会将我
的互动保持在最低的限度,而且已经进行了一段时间了。
最后,我不知道LK最初那张海报是什么回事,但是我认为他们一定是Liver,因为我不认
为MOD会知道即将发生的毕业公告。
No.69828127
My assumption is that there would be a complete rebranding and restructuring
of NijiEN (Niji Global or something). Terminations and graduations would be
baked into the announcement as a 'change in contract' issue and invariable
attrition as the company streamlines. (or some other horse shit).
Basically, it rips the band aid off for investors and allows Riku to pretend
he's in some kind of control whilst also pointing to an optimistic future.
This is in the pipeline, isnt it?
我的假设是虹EN(虹全球或者其他)会进行彻底的品牌重塑及架构重组。随着公司精简,
会出现以“合约变更”或者人员流失等而原因的解约及毕业公告(或者是其他谎话)。
基本上,对于投资者来说长痛不如短痛,让田角假装自己处于某种控制之下,同时也指
向乐观的未来。
这件事正在酝酿之中,不是吗?
No.9828318
Yes, actually. The PR team spoke of restructuring, new management structure,
and an on-boarded psychologist.
This is something I expanded on in a previous thread, if I remember correctly.
实际上是的。公关团队曾提及重组、新的管理架构,以及到职的心理专家。
如果我没有记错,这些是我在上一个帖子提及的东西。
No.69828275
Has Selen been "a target" for a while or are efforts against her limited to a
few months?
那么Selen成为“目标”是已经有一段时间,还是只是近期几个月内针对她的努力?
No.69828419
It became noticeable to me early last spring.
从去年春天初,我就开始注意这一点。
No.69829915
Hi leaker-san, considering that you've said elira is like the "manager" of EN,
how is the thought process on collabing with vtubers from indies and other
companies? (Like holoEN and vshojo etc.) Are you like not allowed or stop
collabing with others for the mean time?
Just to add does the Hyte Collab cancellation affected the talents that should
have been benefited? Thanks
你好,考虑到你说过Elira是类似虹EN的“经纪人”角色,那么与个人势或其他企业势的
Vtubers(如齁EN及V烧酒等)连动的思考过程是怎样?你会否喜欢不允许或者停止与其他
人进行连动吗?
只是想补充一下,HYTE的连动取消会否影响成员获得的利益?谢谢
No.69830171
We don't have the freedom to collaborate with talents of our choosing. We are
assigned collaborations. It's in management's purview, exclusively.
Yes, it immediately affected three talents negatively.
我们没有选择与那些人合作的自由。我们只会是被分配。这完全属于管理层的职权范围。
是的,这件事对三位成员即时有负面影响。
No.69830358
Do you feel that there is enough text in Discord that if leaked to the public
would doom the branch?
你觉得Discord中拥有的资讯,将其泄漏给大众眼中,会将这分部毁掉吗?
No.69830505
As of right now, no.
If you asked me in January, it would have been a definitive yes.
现在的话,不能。
如果你是一月的时候问我的话,那就十分肯定可以。
No.69830387
So was the one responsible for the Holo collab block early on Elira, or
someone else in the upper management? What was the reasoning?
那么早期禁止与齁连动的谁的指示,Elira还是高级管理层的某人?原因是什么?
No.69830505
I don't know. What I know is the average liver is told to jump, and the only
correct response is how high. I don't know how someone like Elira, with her
connections and reach, handles things.
我不知道。我所知道的是一个普通的Liver不能够问问题,只能够服从。我不知道一个像
Elira这样有人脉的人,会如何利用她的人脉去处理事情的。
No.69830668
Given that then, you might not be able to (or want to) answer this very dumb
question: (you can plead the fifth :))
Who fucked over Pomu's dream? My assumption is Japan management (i lived there
for 7 years, i know that 'no' is the automatic reaction to anything that
deviates from the manual). It'd genuinely break my heart to find it was EN '
management'.
考虑到这一点,你可能无法(或者想)回答这个非常愚蠢的问题:(你可以拒绝回答)
究竟是谁破坏了Pomu的梦想?我的假设是日本的管理层(我曾经在那里居住了7年,我知
道任何偏离指引的做法,所得到的结果都是反射性地回答“不”)。如果真的发现是虹EN
“管理层”的话,我真的会心碎。
No.69830907
Miscommunication and covert sabotage.
It's as trite as many of you might have already surmised.
It has to do with whom the "face" of the branch is supposed to be, coupled
with general incompetence.
Incidentally, it goes well beyond an MGS promotional initiative.
沟通不良及暗中破坏。
这件事和很多人可能猜到的一样老套。
这与分部的“代表人物”应该是谁有关,再加上营运一贯的无能。
顺带一说,它远远超出了MGS的宣传计划。
No.69830844
Leaker-san, do you have any insights on the potential of the embezzlement
rratt? Is it possible the "managers" were misusing NijiEN funds? Could any of
that be related to Selen having to pay the artists herself even though Niji
was supposed to be the ones to pay (according to the artists).
Has Luca been punished or reprimanded over the the stuff that was revealed
from his ex-mod?
你对挪用公款的可能性有何想法?是否有可能是“经纪人”盗用了虹EN的资金?这是否
可能与Selen不得不自行付费给创作者有关,尽管这应该是由虹EN负责付款的(根据创作
者的说法)。
Luca会否因为向他的前MOD透露资讯而受到惩罚或斥责?
No.69831099
I have already commented on this.
There is no embezzlement. The closest to that would be the passing comment
that misappropriation of funds/assets and trade secret misappropriation would
be investigated as part of the internal investigation.
No new information came out.
我已经为此发表了评论。
不存在挪用公款的情况。最接近这情况的就是透过评价对挪用资金、资产或商业秘密将会
作为内部调查的一部份进行调查。
没有新的消息传出。
嗯,我翻译这东西是干什么…。