[闲聊] 纽时:霍格华兹无法抛开对JK的争论

楼主: Lb1916 (冷静的鱼)   2023-02-10 10:41:04
就刚刚用英文
Hogwarts legacy
去google
就有发现一些西方媒体
例如CNN、纽约时报等
都有对于霍格华兹的传承的报导
其中纽约时报的标题
让我感到有点兴趣
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/09/arts/hogwarts-legacy-jk-rowling.html
Hogwarts Legacy Can’t Cast Aside Debate Over J.K. Rowling
霍格华兹的传承无法抛开对J.K.罗琳的争论
英文内文比较长没有仔细看
不确定是不是中性报导
只是看到标题感觉满有意思的
所以就分享一下
大家有兴趣可以看看、讨论
补充:
应推文要求转贴内文
不确定有无遗漏字或乱码:
The video game is the latest battleground over the “Harry Potter” author’s co
mments on transgender issues, with fans and gamers divided over whether they sho
uld play it at all.
The conversation about the video game Hogwarts Legacy has been dominated by soci
al issues rather than spell casting or Hippogriff taming.Credit...Warner Bros. G
ames
The developer behind a highly anticipated video game set in the “Harry Potter”
universe, but a century before the familiar story, was always going to have to
confront the expectations of a zealous fandom.
There was the challenge of creating an engaging experience beyond the well-known
tale of the Boy Who Lived, and the risk of disappointing fans by omitting belov
ed aspects of the wizarding world. (Sorry, no quidditch.)
But when the developer, Avalanche Software, began work several years ago on an i
mmersive role-playing game set in Hogwarts, it may not have anticipated that per
haps the biggest challenge of all would stem from the series’s celebrated autho
r.
The conversation among fans and gamers as Hogwarts Legacy approaches its offici
al release date on Friday has been dominated not by talk about spell casting or
Hippogriff taming, but by J.K. Rowling’s remarks on transgender issues.
Potter fans have been grappling with those comments for years, especially afte
r Rowling published an extensive essay in 2020 in which she said a movement of
transgender activists was “seeking to erode ‘woman’ as a political and biolo
gical class and offering cover to predators.”
“I want trans women to be safe,” she wrote. “At the same time, I do not want
to make natal girls and women less safe.”
Fans who considered Rowling’s views odious and anti-trans — a sentiment she de
nies — clashed with those who sympathized with them, while others argued that t
he artist could be separated from her art. Some pledged to cease spending money
on the franchise, which includes a theatrical production and the “Fantastic Bea
sts” movies.
Hogwarts Legacy brought another dedicated community into the fold: gamers, a gro
up not associated with soft-spokenness online.
In recent weeks, they have used social media to confront one another over issues
of transgender rights. Some have pledged to boycott the game, while others have
embraced it or defended their right to play it without claiming specific gender
politics.
“The controversy is very loud,” said Alex Casilio, a YouTube creator who has f
ollowed Hogwarts Legacy throughout its yearslong development, though he question
ed whether the debate would have a measurable impact on sales. “It’s a game th
at got very popular very fast, and most people aren’t into the controversy.”
J.K.Rowling’s Controversial Comments
The “Harry Potter” author’s statements on transgender issues have fueled hea
ted discussions among fans of the book series and beyond.
A Conflicted Fandom: Rowling’s views forced some “Harry Potter” fans to figu
re out how to distance themselves from the author who created the beloved wiza
rding world.
Quidditch No More: The real-life version of the sport, which prominently featur
es in the series, changed its name to “Quadball.” Rowling’s views on transge
nder issues played a role.
Daniel Radcliffe’s Criticism: The lead actor in the “Harry Potter” films i
s one of several cast members who voiced their support for transgender rights in
response to Rowling’s comments.
Days before its official release, Hogwarts Legacy became the single-player game
with the highest number of concurrent viewers on the streaming site Twitch, acc
ording to the analytics site Streams Charts, beating titles like Cyberpunk 2077
and Elden Ring.
Still, the disagreements over whether to engage with the newest entry in the wiz
arding world have sowed chaos on internet forums. On the game’s Reddit forum, t
he moderators reinstated restrictions on discussing Rowling, writing that allow
ing such conversation “quickly spirals into bigoted language towards LGBTQ+ ind
ividuals.” On an official Discord forum, a moderator pleaded with users to “pa
use on the JK topic.”
Like other role-playing games, Hogwarts Legacy allows players to shape their ava
tars’ appearance, intertwining issues of identity with the gameplay. And some p
layers have drawn the conclusion that a new, nonplayable character is transgend
er, based on a line of dialogue in which the character — Sirona Ryan, who runs
the Three Broomsticks pub — said it had taken her classmates a moment to “re
alize I was actually a witch, not a wizard.”
Set in the 1890s — a century before Harry’s story — the game allows players t
o become students at Hogwarts, where they can wear their house robes, navigate t
hrough the castle and practice spells.Credit...Warner Bros. Games
Avalanche — which is owned by Warner Bros., the studio behind the eight “Harry
Potter” movies and the “Fantastic Beasts” series — has walked a fine line,
establishing distance between Rowling and the game while acknowledging her centr
ality to the franchise.
Warner Bros. declined several times to set up an interview with the game’s deve
lopers. When asked direct questions about the creative process and Rowling’s co
ntributions, it pointed to marketing materials.
“J.K. Rowling is not involved in the creation of the game, but as creator of th
e wizarding world and one of the world’s greatest storytellers, her extraordina
ry body of writing is the foundation of all projects in the wizarding world,” e
xplains a list of frequently asked questions. “This is not a new story from J.
K. Rowling, however we have collaborated closely with her team on all aspects of
the game to ensure it remains in line with the magical experiences fans expect.

It is unclear how much Rowling will financially benefit from the game; a spokesm
an for Rowling declined to comment on its reception. In December, after Jessie E
arl, a transgender gaming commentator, tweeted that it was “harmful” to suppor
t Hogwarts Legacy, Rowling used the term “purethink” to criticize the argume
nt.
In an interview with IGN, an entertainment website, Alan Tew, the game’s direct
or, addressed questions about Rowling by saying, “When we bumped into those cha
llenges, we went back and refocused on the stuff that we really care about.”
In a separate article about Sirona Ryan, the character players have concluded is
transgender, a representative for the developer told IGN, “The team felt that
it was very important to create a game that is representative of the rich and d
iverse world of Harry Potter as well as the groups of people who play games, whi
ch includes the LGBTQIA+ community.”
Set in the 1890s, the game allows players to become students at Hogwarts, where
they can wear their house robes, navigate through the castle and practice spells
.
Many details are pulled from Rowling’s texts (spells like Crucio, the torture c
urse, and Avada Kedavra, the killing curse, will be familiar), but some aspects
of the lore are newly invented: Daedalian Keys, the game explains, have been con
jured to protect locked cabinets at Hogwarts.
Several gaming publications and streamers have also been cautious discussing the
game, making it clear that they have qualms about Rowling’s views. Several par
agraphs into IGN’s positive review, which calls the spell-casting combat “stu
pefyingly good,” sits a disclaimer box that acknowledges the “elephant in the
room.”
“As critics, our job is to answer the question of whether or not we find Hogwar
ts Legacy to be fun to play and why,” the disclaimer says. “Whether it’s ethi
cal to play is a separate but still very important question.”
NME, a British pop culture website, gave Hogwarts Legacy three out of five stars
and noted that its review was “not an endorsement of Rowling’s opinions or
comments,” while linking to L.G.B.T.Q. charities.
And a duo called Girlfriend Reviews, who were criticized for streaming the game
on Twitch, responded by emphasizing that they had not paid for it and were rais
ing money for the Trevor Project, a suicide prevention group for L.G.B.T.Q. youn
g people.
Others in the gaming community have drawn a harder line.
“If you purchase this game — if you praise its qualities and encourage others
to ‘support the developers’ or ‘treat yourself to a guilty pleasure’ — you
are making a choice that will harm the transgender community,” Percy Ranson wr
ote for GamesHub, an Australian gaming news site, noting that they are transgend
er.
Rowling has continued to opine on transgender issues since her 2020 essay. Last
month, she posted a tweet likening a meme in which a character holding a gun t
hreatens a TERF, or trans-exclusionary radical feminist, to an illustration of a
20th-century suffragist being tortured. She also rallied in opposition to Sc
ottish legislation intending to make it easier for people to legally change the
ir gender.
The author had no creative input in Hogwarts Legacy, according to Troy Leavitt,
who said on Casilio’s channel last year that he was a lead designer and senio
r producer on the game for three years before leaving Avalanche in 2021. The stu
dio had the latitude, he said, to pick and choose the aspects fans were most int
erested in.
“This isn’t a game about pushing agendas or anything,” said Leavitt, who decl
ined an interview request. “This is a game about delivering to the fans that wi
zarding world experience that you always wanted to have when you were reading th
e books or watching the films. That’s it.”
Perhaps the game’s developers wish they had invented a charm to tame the intern
et.
“Every big ‘Harry Potter’ thing turns into an L.G.B.T.Q. conversation,” said
Asher Chelder, who works on social media for MuggleNet, a Harry Potter fan site
, and is transgender.
But this backlash has seemed heightened compared with the response to the releas
e of the third “Fantastic Beasts” movie last year, said Chelder, who is lookin
g forward to playing Hogwarts Legacy.
Despite some calls for a boycott of the franchise, “Beasts” — which credits R
owling as a screenplay writer — grossed more than $400 million globally. “Curs
ed Child,” the play Rowling is credited on, is running in six countries.
作者: jeffbear79 (jeff)   2023-02-10 10:42:00
纽约时报不就是当初刊登说盼望没有JK的哈利波特?
作者: hermis (火山菌病病人No.01221)   2023-02-10 10:42:00
比起开学连杀六人,竟然比较在意作者的争论?
作者: Pegasus99 (天马行空...的天马)   2023-02-10 10:43:00
错 是SJW无法抛开对JK的争论 所以挑软柿子来啃
作者: awenracious (Racious)   2023-02-10 10:43:00
不需要抛开阿 有话题有流量 赚 原本我连有这个游戏都不知道 现在准备要来玩了
作者: qaz223gy (亚阿相界)   2023-02-10 10:43:00
纽约时报的立场很明显吧? 当初那一篇也是从他们这里出来的
作者: Xpwa563704ju (coolcookies)   2023-02-10 10:44:00
纽时当初还有编辑撰文说哈利波特没有作者勒
作者: wvookevp (ushiromiya)   2023-02-10 10:44:00
整起事件看下来很像是SJW想逼游戏公司出来切割JK罗琳
作者: MoonSkyFish (月天鱼)   2023-02-10 10:44:00
比较好奇当初手游怎么就没闹那么大
作者: DarkHolbach (宇智boyo)   2023-02-10 10:44:00
要抛开JK就自己做游戏啊,看看能卖多少
作者: wvookevp (ushiromiya)   2023-02-10 10:45:00
这点挺恶心的 不就是叫别人跟着一起霸凌吗
作者: Pep5iC05893 (结束)   2023-02-10 10:45:00
英国学校里一堆有色人种被不射咒攻击这才算问题吧
作者: DarkHolbach (宇智boyo)   2023-02-10 10:45:00
游戏公司哪可能切割罗琳,这款赚烂了
作者: MoonSkyFish (月天鱼)   2023-02-10 10:45:00
游戏公司早就切割了,但是该给JK的钱不可能不给
作者: undeadmask (臭起司)   2023-02-10 10:45:00
要怎么切 授权金一直往罗琳存摺里灌进去欸
作者: Irenicus (Jon Irenicus)   2023-02-10 10:45:00
手游没热度阿 这群垃圾就只会寄生当然挑肥的看起来好欺负的
作者: steven869200 (ぜよ)   2023-02-10 10:46:00
标题这么明显
作者: DarkHolbach (宇智boyo)   2023-02-10 10:46:00
切割罗琳万一她不爽收回版权,游戏制作人还要去土下座求她
作者: ThreekRoger (3kRoger)   2023-02-10 10:46:00
JK忙着数钱
作者: undeadmask (臭起司)   2023-02-10 10:47:00
你要粉丝忍住不买这款游戏根本做不到
作者: laipenguin (いいセンスだ)   2023-02-10 10:47:00
老实说我看不懂为什么LGBT等等等会跟这游戏拉上关系
作者: rochiou28 (胡扯)   2023-02-10 10:47:00
真的无法抛开,越来越多人有兴趣了
作者: Jin63916 (摳幫瓦)   2023-02-10 10:47:00
魔法学院的游戏不难做,但没哈利波特元素谁要玩
作者: laipenguin (いいセンスだ)   2023-02-10 10:48:00
这游戏我玩起来就是在霍格华兹这个世界探索的乐趣
作者: wvookevp (ushiromiya)   2023-02-10 10:48:00
SJW把JK罗琳标志成要打倒的敌人象征啊
作者: thbw666 (富和尚)   2023-02-10 10:48:00
钱都被JK赚走 喔气气气气
作者: RedBottleona (红瓶子)   2023-02-10 10:48:00
https://bit.ly/3HSlVnR当初纽时的文章
作者: honey4617912 (h.4)   2023-02-10 10:49:00
纽时还啥的总编不是一个黑人肥婆说JK没资格当HP的作者吗
作者: wvookevp (ushiromiya)   2023-02-10 10:49:00
怎么看都比较划算
作者: MoonSkyFish (月天鱼)   2023-02-10 10:49:00
原本我认为是因为魔法觉醒背后是网易才不冲它
作者: hank81177 (AboilNoise)   2023-02-10 10:49:00
纽时:想像没有作者的哈利波特
作者: hiphopboy7   2023-02-10 10:49:00
直到目前为止 JK的户头仍然叮$叮$叮进帐现金
作者: RedBottleona (红瓶子)   2023-02-10 10:49:00
不要这样说那位黑人女性,她是被栽赃的
作者: jeffbear79 (jeff)   2023-02-10 10:49:00
但反过来想其实搞不好这是哈利波特这IP的全新财富密码抓着罗琳牌狂打提高销量,罗琳跟开发商爽爽领钱玩家也开心。就炎上的那批人气气气却得不到好处而已
作者: h75311418 (Wiz)   2023-02-10 10:50:00
游戏公司怎么切,还需要罗琳授权切什么,顶多口头讲讲骗人,而且切了也会被抵制XD
作者: undeadmask (臭起司)   2023-02-10 10:50:00
每天都被户头进帐的声音吵醒
作者: tmwolf (鲁神)   2023-02-10 10:51:00
你终究是要辱LGBTQ的
作者: MutsuKai (夜羽大人的小恶魔)   2023-02-10 10:51:00
版权在人家手上是要怎么切割jk,钱还是要给啊
作者: MarchelKaton (KatonKaton)   2023-02-10 10:52:00
当初那个说“想像没有作者的哈利波特”是另外一个记者写的,不是那个黑人
作者: wvookevp (ushiromiya)   2023-02-10 10:52:00
SJW期待的是拿出态度吧 虽然要你授权但我还是反对你这逻辑很白烂 但我相信他们就是要这个
作者: RedBottleona (红瓶子)   2023-02-10 10:52:00
用钞票擦眼泪,因为不知道钱怎么花,呜呜呜呜,捐给弱势团体还是好多钱,只好不停的匿名做公益
作者: rockman73   2023-02-10 10:52:00
卖到手软 根本懒得理你
作者: vivianqq30 (vivianqq30)   2023-02-10 10:53:00
JK就只是名气够大才容易被他们攻击
作者: oaoa0123 (ball ^ω^ ice)   2023-02-10 10:53:00
看完了 就只是复述一遍反对者的声音而已 没啥新东西
作者: iam0718 (999)   2023-02-10 10:53:00
没哈利波特的世界观 肯定吸的人变少
作者: DarkHolbach (宇智boyo)   2023-02-10 10:53:00
就是鸵鸟心态而已,切割作者就假装跟罗琳无关
作者: shane24156 (喷水绅士)   2023-02-10 10:53:00
你敢切没付授权金等著被律师团每天吉
作者: AndyJheng   2023-02-10 10:53:00
不就跟干JK魁地奇的概念跟名字去办比赛 红了之后JK出事就默默改叫四球一样
作者: DarkHolbach (宇智boyo)   2023-02-10 10:54:00
但实际上每卖出一份游戏,罗琳就多了好几张拿来擦眼泪的钞票
作者: RedBottleona (红瓶子)   2023-02-10 10:55:00
前‧“真人魁地奇”应该也没人要玩了吧,本来就是为了那个运动名称玩的,一样没有飞天扫帚谁要理你
作者: leo125160909 (中兴黄药师)   2023-02-10 10:55:00
好歹附上内文吧
作者: abcde79961a (shadecross)   2023-02-10 10:55:00
JK:喔是喔真的假的55555(数钱)
作者: lyt5566 (无糖奶茶很难喝)   2023-02-10 10:55:00
#哈利波特没有作者
作者: ohmylove347 (米特巴爾)   2023-02-10 10:55:00
手游不是网易那边的吗?SJW不敢跟中国叫板很久了
作者: windr (天河银明)   2023-02-10 10:55:00
知名IP的力量可大了,有没有那个授权世界观可是天差地远
作者: AndyJheng   2023-02-10 10:55:00
拿人家的创意跟名字去行销 出事了又说跟JK无关要切割
作者: RedBottleona (红瓶子)   2023-02-10 10:56:00
那个手游有欧美服务器吗?
作者: DarkHolbach (宇智boyo)   2023-02-10 10:56:00
没有哈利波特世界观,这游戏能卖100万套就偷笑了
作者: windr (天河银明)   2023-02-10 10:56:00
就是星战、魔戒,就是吃定了IP够大,观众还是会边骂边看
作者: Orianna (奥莉安娜的忧伤)   2023-02-10 10:57:00
欧美社会很病态 圣经里就有明显分清男女 纽时要抵制圣经吗
作者: heybro (魔法肥宅见习生)   2023-02-10 10:57:00
我是JK被这样批评的话,一定难过的用钞票擦眼泪
作者: iam0718 (999)   2023-02-10 10:58:00
如果真要说SJW有创作成名作品的话 10/10算吧
作者: rogerliu123 (奈特)   2023-02-10 10:58:00
啊丢个标题内文都没看就要讨论
作者: DarkHolbach (宇智boyo)   2023-02-10 10:59:00
这文章要看还要订阅的,但我没兴趣订
作者: kobe30418 (谢小笨)   2023-02-10 10:59:00
没翻译谁看得懂
作者: heybro (魔法肥宅见习生)   2023-02-10 10:59:00
10/10基本上也算寄生ip啊
作者: egg781 (喵吉)   2023-02-10 10:59:00
JK罗琳还要体谅游戏公司的脸皮,人很好了
作者: DarkHolbach (宇智boyo)   2023-02-10 11:00:00
我记得当初罗琳那个关于跨性的言论出来之后,她还有写一篇文章解释她不是仇跨,只是有……顾虑
作者: oaoa0123 (ball ^ω^ ice)   2023-02-10 11:00:00
这个文章其实不用订阅的 至少我搜寻同标题可以直接看不知道为啥
作者: windr (天河银明)   2023-02-10 11:00:00
JK这个人不会跟钱过不去啦XDDDDD
作者: as1100   2023-02-10 11:01:00
SJW想封杀JK 自己想办法搞一个这么赚钱的IP给大家赚阿
作者: windr (天河银明)   2023-02-10 11:01:00
她穷过的,绝对不会挡自己财路
作者: DarkHolbach (宇智boyo)   2023-02-10 11:01:00
只是SJW嘛…要是会看人家的解释就不是SJW了
作者: gibbs1286 (学无止境是国关)   2023-02-10 11:01:00
其实继续吵不错啊,游戏得利
作者: ColdP (......)   2023-02-10 11:01:00
每个帐号每年有一定量的免费文章可看, 超过就要订阅了
作者: kuo95 (绝对T感)   2023-02-10 11:01:00
啊你没有仔细看内文要讨论什么不太懂
作者: jeffbear79 (jeff)   2023-02-10 11:01:00
说真的我要是JK,知道别人打我这张牌能反向提高销量我也会闭嘴等钱进来
作者: egg781 (喵吉)   2023-02-10 11:02:00
这游戏跟哈利波特没关系的话,完全原创看你能不能这么热门虽然没人会嫌钱多,但罗琳真不想的话也不缺他们这一份
作者: kinuhata (kinuhata)   2023-02-10 11:03:00
who car 游戏都赚烂了谁还在乎这些破事
作者: oaoa0123 (ball ^ω^ ice)   2023-02-10 11:03:00
就只是找篇文给大家吵而已R 纽时这篇没说什么新东西
作者: windr (天河银明)   2023-02-10 11:04:00
不过啦,真的会出来捐款的人,再怎么样,我个人是都觉得比
作者: notlolicon (非萝莉控)   2023-02-10 11:04:00
原po又没看文章内容 看起来也没有要跟这里的人讨论的意思 那发这篇文干嘛XD
作者: oaoa0123 (ball ^ω^ ice)   2023-02-10 11:05:00
就提供吵架题材啊,你看四十几推不亦乐乎XD
作者: solidmiss (索德米斯)   2023-02-10 11:06:00
JK真爽 早上刷簿子下午再刷 可能就先乘1.3倍
作者: h75311418 (Wiz)   2023-02-10 11:08:00
其实狠一点的话罗琳可以都不授权耶,他们还有得哭吗XD
作者: mosuta23179   2023-02-10 11:12:00
罗琳睡饱数钱的事不做跟一群畜牲赌气?除非她脑袋撞坏了 哈哈
作者: w3160828 (kk)   2023-02-10 11:13:00
SJW都有疯子跑去抗议耶稣是女的不是男的了
作者: storewater (差异侵蚀)   2023-02-10 11:13:00
你倒是翻译翻译啊
作者: guogu   2023-02-10 11:18:00
看完了 应该还算中立啦 就是把这款游戏只是因为原作是jk所以一堆人气气气这件事情写的很长而已
作者: CjackC (颉哥)   2023-02-10 11:18:00
感谢他们的宣传
作者: mushrimp5466 (吃了虾子的蘑菇)   2023-02-10 11:21:00
sjw滚去自己做你们政确的原创啦
作者: andycheng60 (andycheng)   2023-02-10 11:23:00
真的笑死,结果骂SJW比挺SJW还好赚钱,真的有够可悲的族群
作者: aa384756 (yst)   2023-02-10 11:23:00
JK很爽阿 还有PO拿钞票擦泪的图
作者: ggway2800 (gg)   2023-02-10 11:25:00
JK拿钞票拿到手软,而且事后发生的一堆事也证明她当初的顾虑是对的,现在就是看这群SJW当小丑当到什么时候
作者: payday (抢劫万岁)   2023-02-10 11:26:00
罗琳当初版权签的超硬 怎么切割
作者: zien0223 (LazyCat)   2023-02-10 11:31:00
本来JK领钱还得费神费力参与制作 现在更好躺着就能赚
作者: discoveryray (chih)   2023-02-10 11:37:00
直接转贴是什么废文
作者: yisky (乳酪三明治饼干)   2023-02-10 11:43:00
师爷你给翻译翻译
作者: metallolly (好棒)   2023-02-10 11:45:00
游戏公司:谢谢sjw 爽赚一波流量
作者: usoko (time to face reality)   2023-02-10 11:45:00
讲的好像JK有在霍格华兹里排挤Transgender一样
作者: usoko (time to face reality)   2023-02-10 11:46:00
反正JK还是躺着数钞票 SJW终究是没有创作能力的losers
作者: naya7415963 (稻草鱼)   2023-02-10 11:52:00
这游戏明明就很舔了结果还是被SJW抵制,然后大卖还不是靠JK小说的世界观= =
作者: mushrimp5466 (吃了虾子的蘑菇)   2023-02-10 11:52:00
你不翻也没心得那转过来干嘛
作者: coubeooh   2023-02-10 11:52:00
SJW自己去写IP不会吗
作者: sy4826951 (星空孤影)   2023-02-10 11:56:00
纽时整天在蹭热度,哈利波特作者又不是纽时,垃圾报
作者: jeffbear79 (jeff)   2023-02-10 11:59:00
JK:我都没办法自己创作,只能闲来无事去刷簿子真是无趣的人生啊呜呜呜呜呜
作者: Kaken (← 看到他请催稿)   2023-02-10 12:01:00
你都拿霍格华兹当标题了还想抛开JK罗琳喔,太天真了吧。但我觉得游戏做成这样本来就只是嘴上说切割而已啦。
作者: silomin (惦惦吃的多)   2023-02-10 12:02:00
对 无法 所以支持正义的jk 因为jk就是正义
作者: Kaken (← 看到他请催稿)   2023-02-10 12:02:00
(我不是说游戏烂,而是以世界观来说算有诚意,但这就更难切割了)
作者: grandzxcv (frogero)   2023-02-10 12:10:00
迟早游戏业会知道,不管SJW赚得会更多,就像好莱坞放弃中国一样
作者: lovegensokyo (神恋幻想乡)   2023-02-10 12:39:00
吵越凶罗琳转越多,被抵制难过到用支票擦眼泪喔
作者: ngvxsvfh (吴哥)   2023-02-10 13:22:00
事实证明,没人屌你们SJW,倒不如说大家超级讨厌
作者: kjoz89 (kaimas)   2023-02-10 13:44:00
原文贴的时候可以帮换行吗 单字被分开看得很痛苦抱歉没发现有原本连结 当我没说了
作者: stvn2567   2023-02-10 13:57:00
吃不到葡萄说葡萄酸

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