Re: [新闻] 游戏开发商Wolfire针对Steam平台发起反垄

楼主: wizardfizban (疯法师)   2021-11-20 20:13:18
Judge dismisses antitrust lawsuit filed against Valve
https://www.pcgamer.com/judge-dismisses-antitrust-lawsuit-filed-against-valve/
之前Valve向法官要求驳回,因为证据完全不足。
最新消息就是法官同意了Valve的看法,所以这个反垄断案被驳回了。
驳回的理由在这
The ruling, available in full on CourtListener, says Wolfire's lawsuit falls
short on two separate points. First, the claim that Valve is illegally tying
the Steam store to the platform—essentially, using the near-monopoly of
Steam as a library, launcher, and social media platform to force people to
buy games through the Steam storefront—is rejected because the allegations
in the lawsuit suggest that the Steam platform and storefront are in fact "a
single product within the integrated game platform and transaction market."
Wolfire's lawsuit also claims that Valve uses its near-monopoly to charge an
excessive fee to sellers—30%—that wouldn't be sustainable in a competitive
marketplace. That claim resulted in some interesting conversations earlier
this year, but the judge rejected the argument, noting that Valve's take has
remained unchanged throughout Steam's history, even as other online stores
charging lower percentages have come and gone.
"Therefore, it would appear that the market reality, at least as plead, is
that [Valve's] fee is commensurate with the Steam Platform's value to game
publishers," the ruling states.
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反正大概又涉及什么法律问题,看有没有高手要帮大家解惑。
作者: gox1117 (月影秋枫)   2020-11-20 20:13:00
查无不法 谢谢指教
作者: egg781 (喵吉)   2021-11-20 20:18:00
苦干实干做起来,然后其他家太废~阿猫阿狗都跑来告你垄断
作者: hom5473 (...)   2021-11-20 20:19:00
嫌平台抽成贵 法官表示他开店后就没变过%数期间其他抽成更低的线上商店都出现过又消失了对游戏发行者来说 valve的平台费用看起来是相称的
作者: s8018572 (好想睡觉)   2021-11-20 20:22:00
所以合乎市场的现实 并没有垄断扭曲市场这样?
作者: Kowdan (尻蛋)   2021-11-20 20:23:00
不意外,其他家自己太废,抽成低但功能跟屎一样
作者: egg781 (喵吉)   2021-11-20 20:24:00
我是挺好奇的,连抄得像都不会吗?
作者: hom5473 (...)   2021-11-20 20:25:00
也就是维持30%的平台才是现实中有持续性的实绩
作者: s8018572 (好想睡觉)   2021-11-20 20:25:00
然后wolfire还告steam是管理库 启动器和社交平台的垄断==
作者: spfy (spfy)   2021-11-20 20:26:00
Steam光是下载游戏的CDN没人能打 大概只有GOOGLE或微软这种
作者: egg781 (喵吉)   2021-11-20 20:26:00
STEAM还允许厂商在他平台卖要用厂商自己启动器的游戏
作者: egg781 (喵吉)   2021-11-20 20:28:00
他们至少可以抄服务页面便利性那些阿,有些连这个都没有
作者: MikageSayo (御影佐夜)   2021-11-20 20:28:00
你成绩太好了→他人太烂我无法增加获利→你垄断好可恶
作者: marlonlai   2021-11-20 20:31:00
我也不懂其他家为啥不抄 看看Epic明明有钱常送游戏或搞限时独占 但是平台还是阳春
作者: bloodruru (心在哪 答案就在哪)   2021-11-20 20:33:00
说白了老板跟决策者就觉得接口阳春能赢阿,那些说要请工程师请艺术家改接口的人都回家吃自己了 所以Epic的接口就会永远这么阳春 然后说steam垄断
作者: moon1000 (水君)   2021-11-20 20:34:00
不站在玩家角度看玩家需求什么 只有少抽让厂商来
作者: AkikaCat (阿喵)   2021-11-20 20:37:00
对绝大多数玩家来说,反正你少被抽也不会卖比较便宜,我干嘛去用消费者体验烂的的要死的其他平台 XD
作者: moon1000 (水君)   2021-11-20 20:38:00
送免钱像是让玩家去试用平台 会不会留下来买就不一样
作者: jacky3838 (yo)   2021-11-20 20:39:00
问题时去年政策EPIC赔满多,不过的确有提升用户数
作者: akira00150 (アッー!キラッ☆)   2021-11-20 20:48:00
想抽成比较低的平台都没活下去啦
作者: SuicidePeko (string int = true;)   2021-11-20 20:53:00
STEAM从墨绿色转成现代这个感觉也是下了不少功夫刚换时也是毛病一堆,可是几天内就修稳了
作者: a8418635 (agogo)   2021-11-20 20:53:00
所以他的意思是 steam的平台要给他用 但是他卖游戏要在自己那边还不给steam抽 可是steam的留言区下载更新备份他通通要?
作者: googlexxxx (googlexxxx)   2021-11-20 20:55:00
私人企业他为什么要这样服务你?
作者: Reficuly (逆天使)   2021-11-20 20:56:00
记得以前也有中华电信最后一哩路的事情…
作者: gungriffon (阿毛毛Q)   2021-11-20 21:29:00
steam也是一路拓荒拓过来的 功能都是后来慢慢完善的
作者: wahaha2005 (我是谁2005)   2021-11-20 21:37:00
不想就去支那EPIC,呀忘了EPIC不收废物
作者: guogu   2021-11-20 22:06:00
EPIC明明就有收莎木3
作者: pikachu2421 (皮卡@めぐ民)   2021-11-20 22:36:00
抽成比较低的平台有啊 itch.io和booth都算吧itch.io是默认10% booth是5.6%+22元日币
作者: nalthax (书虫一枚)   2021-11-20 23:08:00
跟其他竞争者都一样,没垄断
作者: okery (叶君秦)   2021-11-20 23:41:00
EPIC那种狗都不去的平台还敢收12%,比Steam贪太多了

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