[外絮] 名嘴: MJ让NBA全球化 LBJ让NBA变得Mobile

楼主: usnavyseal (usmarine2008)   2026-03-25 21:55:37
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https://youtu.be/QxBQ8OEDBtU?&t=1100 18:20开始
知名体育媒体人Colin Cowherd 跟Jason Timpf讨论MJ vs LBJ
Colin: an interesting comment this week, and it wasn't a shot at LeBron, but
obviously you think of LeBron when KD said, "Michael Jordan's bigger than
basketball." And and I I've always said, "Magic and Bird saved the NBA.
Michael made it global. LeBron made it mobile.
And it was thinking about that and I want your thoughts on this. First of
all, your thoughts because I have one. Your thoughts on KD saying like like
Michael Jordan's above basketball. They'll always be great players. They'll
never be Michael. Your thoughts?
这礼拜有个很有趣的评论,这并不是在针对LBJ,但当 KD说“MJ的地位高于篮球本身”时
,你很难不想到 LeBron。
我常说 Magic Bird救了 NBA,Michael让它走向全球,而 LeBron让它进入了行动化时代
我想听听你的看法。KD 说 Michael Jordan 是凌驾于篮球之上的,未来永远会有伟大的
球员,但永远不会再有下一个 Michael。你怎么看?
Jason: Yeah. I mean, like you talked about the the saving of the NBA with
Magic and Bird. like they brought it back from the brink, but MJ was what
made the sport as culturally resonant at as it is now.
对我觉得就像你刚刚讲的,Magic&Bird 把 NBA 从悬崖边拉了回来,让联盟起死回生
但 MJ 才是真正让这项运动在文化层面产生如今这么大共鸣的人。
Colin: He made it cool 他让篮球变得很酷。
Jason: Yeah And like I know that you know, you hear a lot of like LeBron verse
MJ stuff in the media. You hear a lot of LeBron vers MJ stuff from fans, but
talk tobasketball players. You're not going to find a basketball player that
doesn't revere Michael Jordan. Like there's it's just such an important part
of your basketball development. Watching his footage. Like I was a LeBron
fan. I grew up a LeBron fan. LeBron's the reason I fell in love with
basketball. You don't have any idea how many times I went and watched Michael
Jordan's top 100 plays on YouTube. Like it just the way that that like shaped
my entire love for the game of basketball. It's just there's a there there's
a certain there's a certain aura and a history that surrounds him that is
insurmountable for even a guy likes LeBron. And I think there I think we've
seen that with LeBron almost manifest in in I I don't want to call it
insecurity cuz it just it manifests in like a reaction from him where like
he'll often like promote himself as if as in some sort of effort to try to
reach that level. But the reality is there's a certain amount of like he was
the first guy like that and there will never be another first guy like that.
是的。我知道在媒体上或球迷之间,常会听到很多 LeBron 还是 MJ 谁更强的争论。但你
去问篮球员,你找不到任何一个不崇拜 Michael Jordan 的球员。那是篮球成长过程中极
其重要的一部分,就是看他的比赛录影。
我本身就是 LeBron 的球迷,我是看着 LeBron 长大并因此爱上篮球的。但你无法想像我
曾在 YouTube 上看了多少次 Michael Jordan 的百大入球。那种感觉形塑了我对篮球这
项运动的热爱。他身上有一种特殊的光环和历史感,那是连LeBron这样的人都难以逾越的
我觉得我们在 LeBron 身上看到了一种,我不想称之为“自卑感”,但那体现在他的一种
反应中:他常会自我推销,仿佛在努力试图达到那个高度。但现实是,MJ 是开创先河的
第一人,而这种“第一人”的位置永远不会再有第二个了。
Colin: Also there was no social media. Part of what makes Michael fascinating
was that we didn’t know about his private life There weren’t the platforms,
so you needed his basketball, and his fashion That was your gateway to knowing
Michael. You didn't know about his marriage, you didn't know about his private
life. We get so much of LeBron now. Like I know so much, like I know where he
lives. And so, it it doesn't feel special. It's like Jack Nicholson always had
a theory. Don't go make people go to the theater to watch your work. Don't go
on Johnny Carson. Don't go on Letterman. Make them go to the theater. I don't
know if Michael thought about that, but you had to either buy Michael shoes or
go to his game.
That's how you heard saw Michael's greatness. LeBron's everywhere.And so, I do
think there's a mystery that that there's nothing LeBron could have done
about that. It's just there's a mystery about Michael and a uniqueness where
I can watch the Laker game, go to YouTube, watch the highlights, go to TikTok,
watch the extra highlights. Like when Michael, if think about it, I mean, when
Michael first came into the league, you couldn't watch their games. You didn't
get I mean, if he played certain nights, Michael scores 48. Unless Sports
Center gave me like three baskets, I couldn't even watch the highlights until
the playoffs. So, I don't think you can, you know, I just think Michael had in
a strange way a privacy advantage that made every time you saw him play special.
That's not LeBron's fault.
而且当时没有社群媒体。Michael Jordan 吸引人的一部分原因在于我们对他的私生活一
无所知。当时没有那些平台,所以你只能透过他的球技和时尚来了解他,那是你接触
Michael 的唯一管道。你不知道他的婚姻状况,不了解他的私生活。
现在我们对 LeBron 了解太多了。我知道太多细节,连他住哪里都知道。所以那种“特别
感”消失了。这就像 Jack Nicholson 有个理论:别让大家轻易见到你,要让他们为了看
你的作品进戏院。别去上 Johnny Carson 或 Letterman 的脱口秀,让他们进戏院看你。
我不确定 Michael 是否刻意这样想,但当年你要么买 Michael 的鞋,要么去看他的比赛
,那是你见证 Michael 伟大之处的唯二方式。而 LeBron 无处不在。所以我认为
Michael 身上有一种神祕感和独特性,这是 LeBron 无法改变的现状。
现在我可以看湖人的比赛,然后去 YouTube 看精华,再去Tik Tok看更多片段。回想一下
当Michael 刚进联盟时,你甚至没办法看到每一场比赛。如果 Michael 某晚拿了48分
除非 SportsCenter 剪了三粒入球给我看,否则我直到季后赛前甚至连精华都看不到。
所以我觉得 Michael 在某种程度上有种“隐私优势”,让每次看他打球都显得格外珍贵
这不是 LeBron 的错。
Jason: I'd even extend that to what's happening on the court in the sense
that like can you imagine if Michael Jordan's two Washington Wizards years
took place during Twitter and every time he took a defensive possession off
every time he got back cut every time he didn't box out every like like
that's the crazy part is LeBron has had his entire like age 38 39 40 41
seasons be micro-analyzed on a possession possession basis through clips on
Twitter and it's Like reality is is we're seeing something completely
unprecedented for a guy his age, but because it's being micro-analyzed in
many ways, it's like, oh, here are all the ways that LeBron's dropping the
ball. Here are all the ways that LeBron is not coming through for his team.
And I almost feel bad for him in that sense because I just can I can only
imagine if I micro-analyzed every possession of Michael's Wizards tenure, how
ugly it would have been at times.
我甚至可以把这点延伸到球场上的表现。你能想像如果 MJ在巫师的那两年发生在 Twitter
时代吗?如果他每次防守偷懒、每次被后门空切、每次没卡位都被放大检视……
最疯狂的地方在于,LeBron 在 38、39、40、41 岁球季的每一波球权,都被人在
Twitter 上用影片逐一微观分析。现实是,我们正在见证一个球员在这种年纪展现出史无
前例的表现,但因为被过度分析,大家反而会说:“喔,你看 LeBron 这里掉球了,那里
没能挺身而出。”在这一点上我挺替他感到难过的,因为我完全可以想像,如果当年我们
也这样微观分析 Michael 在 Wizards 时期的每一波球权,有些画面肯定也会很难看。
备注
学到了一个金句
Magic and Bird saved the NBA. Michael made it global. LeBron made it mobile.
Mobile是在偷嘴LBJ到处转队XD
作者: fantasyhorse (水多多)   2026-03-25 22:00:00
问题就是MJ那两年防守没偷懒啊那两年MJ有没有上,巫师防守完全是两个等级
作者: PaulPierce34 (Braveheart)   2026-03-25 22:46:00
别说MJ了 就算同期球员有像乐邦的偷懒高光吗MJ有打的场次胜率更高吧 哪来持球太多却输球持球多伤害球队 乐邦才是让人印象深刻 尬运传炸弹老MJ在明星赛单打Kobe 乐邦食二锅之外 例行赛面对Kobe都一直传走被喷到后面忍不住要教训Kobe 结果下场是吃锅但Kwame Brown对MJ Kobe评价都高于乐邦很多打球不怎样 但是看他评论乐邦 说话很有逻辑看他说话这么有脑 反而很难相信他打球怎么很差XDR.Hamilton去当乐邦队友更惨吧Kwame Brown形容MJ Kobe练习时强度就拉满很好笑练习就1打2 后仰歪来歪去投篮小虫说MJ没什么给他压力
作者: yukimura0420 (涉)   2026-03-25 23:14:00
姆咪也是拿姆斯几个好球精华就吹上天 还好意思说啊
作者: PaulPierce34 (Braveheart)   2026-03-25 23:16:00
MJ对自己要求最高 应该是那些跟不上的球员才有压力都已经打到NBA了 要怎么没压力的打乐邦那种自己防守放空 却狂喷队友防守 才叫给压力快攻时也追在队友后面给压力跟MJ的压力能拿冠 乐邦给的压力是要吸数据还要警告队友别抢他的篮板反观MJ会让小虫拿篮板 帮他保持篮板王头衔扯时代不同 但同时代也只有乐邦有偷懒高光别说R.Hamilton 当时联盟也不到5人能跟MJ抢第一进攻点 有啥好不爽 凭R.Hamilton的本事要怎么排在MJ前面R.Hamilton没有多强的单打硬解能力 要依赖战术投空位 怎么跟单打王MJ抢第一进攻论造神 有到处问MJ对你的影响 MJ退休哭不哭吗戴球皮皇冠 大概想表达脸皮和球皮一样厚偷跑快攻扣空篮 就能造神成GOAT 古代可没这样造神
作者: zzz753951753 (Ali)   2026-03-26 08:57:00
生涯拿4冠,2冠关键球都不是他,1冠偷AD,山羊????
作者: PaulPierce34 (Braveheart)   2026-03-26 10:47:00
都说欢迎姆咪去检视巫师MJ有没有防守偷懒欢迎姆咪反驳呀 却什么证据都拿不出来 就说别人在洗找不到MJ偷懒 却把可爱77KD抓进来战 关我什么事防守不偷懒只是基本 好好防守还需要神化才去守吗湖人现在是靠乐邦带队吗 你要他去带烂队看看打输下跪 走旁门左道才叫体育精神吗体育精神本来就没跟胜负和数据绑定 姆咪的神逻辑支持一个防守偷懒的 还大谈体育精神MJ偷懒的证据找不到 姆咪就重新定义体育精神所以你的体育精神是 不防守专刷数据?说人救援 那你就找出巫师MJ的偷懒证据呀乐邦只有数据好吧 打得好是队友4守5打的好你打过篮球吗 会说不防守那个打得好?你才叫护航吧 你要这样判断叫体育精神 你高兴就好怎么又拉太阳进来战 我是没看过太阳不防守的高光但是唯独乐邦有不防守的高光自己重新定义体育精神 要别人认同 那你高兴就好你找不到MJ偷懒 瞎说别人救援 才是黑MJ吧体育精神又不是奖项或数据 是体育文化下的观念好吗例如防守偷懒 就可以看做是缺乏体育精神依你说词 乐邦带队没进季后赛 也没体育精神吧战绩差的球队 都是没体育精神的球队?有这样讲的吗那你是从哪篇文章用胜负看体育精神 分享一下和胜负绑定是你的个人观点 我在其他地方没看过而且MJ上场时胜率提高 反观乐邦提高胜率叫刷子?刷新我的三观

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