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PiGFAcE (被遗忘在沙滩上的脚印)
2025-05-21 14:29:56为庆祝瓶大当选溜马精华区小板主，特别贡献一篇小小的赛前分析讨论。其实这是一个外
国 podcast 的翻译整理，我有用 chatGPT 代翻，因为内容实在太多了，不过听了这么多
赛前分析，这一个内容是我听起来讨论最深的。 毕竟讨论的人是溜马专家跟尼克专家。
文长, 建议可以按 end 略过直接从后面往上先看观战重点,
如果有兴趣回头看四个分析师在 podcast 里面讨论到的数据和细节
再慢慢回头看 Podcast 的翻译稿
原影片：
https://youtu.be/4aneGs8o3kg?si=4bqLFHmaljBlG54a
以下为原文与翻译:
[Benji]
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[Benji]
Hello everybody Welcome to the most perhaps the most improbable Eastern Confer
ence Finals podcast
大家好，欢迎收听或许是史上最不可思议的东区决赛播客
I am going to be joined here by the great Caitlyn Cooper of basketball she wro
te
今天我们邀请到《Basketball She Wrote》的优秀作者 Caitlyn Cooper
as well as the great Samson folk of Raptors Republic and other publications fr
om across the border
还有来自 Raptors Republic 和其他加拿大媒体的杰出作者 Samson Folk
And of course you know him well as the detail junkie the defender of Julius th
e doctor of jump shots My man DJ Zulo is here with us as well
当然还有各位熟知的细节狂魔、Julius的忠实支持者、跳投博士，我的好伙伴 DJ Zulo
也在现场
This is a KFS X’s and O’s special presentation where we have the privilege t
o be joined by Caitlyn and Samson
这是KFS“战术解析”的特别节目，很荣幸邀请到 Caitlyn 和 Samson 一起参与
[Benji]
I you guys probably know Caitlyn well basketball she wrote one of the great th
inkers of our game
大家可能很熟悉 Caitlyn，她是《Basketball She Wrote》的作者，篮球界的优秀思想家
之一
one of the great writers of our game just a brilliant a brilliant analyst of t
he game
也是篮球界极其出色的作家和卓越的分析家
and Samson if you if you guys aren’t familiar with Samson from like the IQ RJ
Barrett you know crossf function New York Toronto
如果你们不熟悉 Samson，他对IQ、RJ Barrett 以及纽约、多伦多之间的交集有深厚的研
究
you know they’re they’re basically a sideshow at this point for the for the
New York Knicks he should be
他们基本上已经成为尼克队的次要话题了，但他绝对值得你们关注
because he he is the best there is at breaking down the Raptors and the NBA at
large
因为他是分析暴龙队及整个NBA联盟的最佳人选
he joins Caitlyn during their playoff runs they’ve been doing amazing work
季后赛期间他与 Caitlyn 合作，两人一直做出相当精彩的内容
[Benji]
So it is an honor for us DJ I speak on on behalf of DJ as well to have you guy
s with us
能够与你们两位合作，我谨代表DJ，感到非常荣幸
to break down again what is maybe the most improbable Eastern Conference Final
s in NBA history
一起分析这个可能是NBA史上最令人难以置信的东区决赛
Got to be close Um and uh here we are Pacers Knicks starts Wednesday night
一定相当接近史上之最了，我们将迎接周三晚上的溜马对尼克之战
We’re recording this on a Sunday afternoon so we’re going to give a lot of t
ime for people to digest
我们在周日下午录制此节目，因此大家有充裕时间消化内容
and we’re going to talk about the X’s and O’s of the series
我们将深入讨论本系列赛的战术细节
[Benji]
So how is everybody doing Caitlin we’ll start with you What’s going on
大家过得如何？Caitlyn，先从妳开始，最近如何？
[Caitlyn Cooper]
doing well I was just reminiscing with Andrew before we started
我很好，刚才跟 Andrew 回想起来
that at the end of our pregame pod in February We both said “Well see you aga
in next year
二月份录完赛前Podcast时，我们都说“明年再见”
We don’t anticipate doing this in the playoffs.”
完全没想到季后赛还能再合作
So definitely wasn’t anticipated on behalf of the two people that cover these
two teams
对于我们这两个长期追踪这两支球队的人来说，这真的完全没料到
It’s unbelievable
实在太不可思议了
[Benji]
Samson what’s cooking over there how’s Toronto
Samson 那边如何，多伦多最近好吗？
[Samson Folk]
doing good Doing good Yeah it’s sunny out It’s nice
很好，很好，天气晴朗，很舒服
Also uh Nick’s fans might know me cuz my tweet gets every every time OG does
something funny in an interview
尼克迷可能认识我，因为每次 OG 在采访中有趣表现时，我的推文都会引起关注
My tweet about the type of cander you’re supposed to have in discussing thing
s with him pops off
特别是关于跟他聊天该保持何种坦率态度的推文总是爆红
So people might have seen that My advice on how to uh unriddle the unriddable
OG Anobi
所以大家可能看过我如何解读难以捉摸的 OG Anunoby 的建议
Unbelievable He’s the best What a character
难以置信，他真的很棒，个性超特别
[Benji]
Each how we doing buddy man I’m Listen I’m just happy to be here
DJ，最近好吗？我只是很高兴能参加
Um I am surrounded by three of the best basketball minds in the business
今天身边坐着三位业界最杰出的篮球专家
I’m super stoked about this series and it’s been a great day for me
我对这系列赛非常兴奋，今天也是很棒的一天
Had a overpriced smoothie bowl with the kids shot some hoops
陪孩子们吃了顿贵到离谱的水果冰沙碗，还打了些篮球
I’m ready to go I’m overcaffeinated Like this is this is really good times r
ight now
我已经准备好了，咖啡喝得太多，现在真的感觉超棒
and really happy to break down what should be a fascinating series with the th
ree of you
非常期待与你们三人一起分析这场精彩的系列赛
[Benji]
Awesome Oh before Andrew gets mad at me I should say this is presented by Fana
tic Sports Book So there it is I I did it Andrew
太棒了，噢！在 Andrew 生气前，我得提醒大家，节目由Fanatic Sports Book赞助播出
，Andrew 我说了喔！
[Benji]
All right So look I think we all we all came to the table here with some kind
of foundational questions about the series from a schematic standpoint
好的，我想我们今天都带着一些从战术层面出发的基础性问题来讨论这系列赛
And so I think we’ll just kind of take turns pitching a question and then we
’ll go around the table
因此我们会轮流提出问题，然后逐一讨论
and discuss how we think it’s going to go what the different adjustments migh
t be throughout the series and we’ll take it from there
看看各位认为比赛会如何发展，以及系列赛过程中可能会有的不同调整，我们就从这里开
始
So Caitlin let’s start with you What is kind of your number one question when
you’re looking at this series hit me with it
Caitlyn，从妳开始吧，妳看这个系列赛时，最主要的问题是什么？请直接告诉我
[Caitlyn Cooper]
So mine comes from something that the Pacers actually never did during the reg
ular season
我提出的问题其实是来自溜马队例行赛从未尝试过的事
So naturally it seems like it applies greatly here
但很明显地，在这里却特别适用
It’s about Aaron Nesmith
这跟Aaron Nesmith有关
So my question to the group is which I wrote a long piece about this but I wan
t feedback from people who have watched the Knicks far more than I have
这个问题我之前写过一篇很长的文章，但我希望得到对尼克队更了解的人给予回馈
Should Aaron Nesmith guard Jalen Brunson or Karl-Anthony Towns
Aaron Nesmith应该防守Jalen Brunson，还是Karl-Anthony Towns？
and to give some background on how I came to this question in game three last
year of the Eastern Conference semi-finals
我会提出这问题的背景，是去年东区准决赛的第三场比赛
the Pacers made the adjustment to put Aaron onto Jalen Brunson instead of Andr
ew Nembhard
溜马队调整了防守，让Aaron Nesmith而非Andrew Nembhard去防守Jalen Brunson
At that point in time Aaron Nesmith kind of got billed as the quote unquote Ja
len Brunson stopper
当时Aaron Nesmith被某种程度上视为所谓“Jalen Brunson克星”
I would like to push back against that a little bit because that also coincide
d with Jalen Brunson’s foot injury Number one
对这点我想稍微提出反驳，因为首先那时候Jalen Brunson正好脚受伤
And number two what I felt was more impactful is that Andrew Nembhard was avai
lable to be guarding in the gaps as their most impactful off-ball defender
其次，我认为更重要的是Andrew Nembhard可以作为防守缺口的守护者，他是溜马最具影
响力的无球防守者
And Pascal Siakam then after OG Anunoby’s injury was roaming off of Precious
Achiuwa a lot which was allowing Aaron to press up closer to the ball
而在OG Anunoby受伤之后，Pascal Siakam经常放掉Precious Achiuwa，因此Aaron可以更
贴近持球者施压
So these two teams are a lot different now
但现在这两支球队与当时有很大的不同
Game one of the regular season happens Pascal more tethered to Anunoby Jalen B
runson roaring to the Madison Square Garden crowd
例行赛第一场时，Pascal更常紧跟着Anunoby，而Jalen Brunson则在麦迪逊广场花园球迷
前振臂高呼
that he’s asserting his dominance over Aaron Nesmith
他展现出对Aaron Nesmith的绝对优势
Game three of the regular season happens and the Pacers make a starting lineup
change
例行赛第三场时，溜马队改变了先发阵容
Aaron Nesmith back in the starting lineup for the Pacers opposite of Jalen Bru
nson
Aaron Nesmith重回溜马队先发阵容，与Jalen Brunson对位
I think Benji and I talked about this It felt like Jalen Brunson really wanted
to prove his dominance in that matchup
我想Benji和我谈过，感觉Jalen Brunson真的很想在那场对决中证明他的优势
at the beginning of the game at the expense of Karl-Anthony Towns
这种情况在比赛一开始就出现了，但却牺牲了Karl-Anthony Towns的机会
who was being guarded by the formidable front court of Thomas Bryant and Obi T
oppin in that particular basketball game
当时Karl-Anthony Towns是由Thomas Bryant和Obi Toppin这对强大的前场防守组合盯防
to this point in time Long story short Aaron has not guarded Karl-Anthony Town
s
简单说，到目前为止，Aaron还没有防守过Karl-Anthony Towns
By my eye Karl-Anthony Towns has been limited somewhat both in terms of his in
volvement and his efficiency when he’s been guarded by smaller players
根据我的观察，当Karl-Anthony Towns被较矮小的球员防守时，他的参与度和效率都受到
了一些限制
in part because how the Knicks attack
部分原因是尼克队的进攻方式所致
So to all three of you Aaron Nesmith guarding Jalen Brunson or guarding Karl-A
nthony Towns
所以我想问你们三位：Aaron Nesmith应该去防守Jalen Brunson，还是Karl-Anthony Tow
ns？
[Samson Folk]
I Okay I’ll go first
好，我先说吧
I have long been of the belief Obviously the numbers showed up in your article
Caitlyn uh which everyone should read
我一直认为（而数据也在你的文章中有提到，Caitlyn，你的文章真的很值得大家阅读）
but Karl Towns is a guy who uh is affected greatly by who’s standing across f
rom him what archetype of defender
Karl Towns是一名深受对位防守者类型影响的球员
and for whatever reason be it you know his own proclivities or let’s say the
Knicks what they want to get get into offensively
不论是他自己的倾向还是尼克队希望采用的进攻策略
even this goes back to the the Wolves as well
甚至早在他还在灰狼队时就如此了
when you put a wing or a guard on him it does kind of make it more difficult f
or him to know how to implement his own offense
当你派一个侧翼或后卫去防守他时，他往往会难以决定如何施展自己的进攻手段
And on the one hand it’s like I do think Nesmith is a better fit to guard Jal
en Brunson because of his size and what it allows as you said Caitlyn the Pace
rs to do off ball
一方面来说，我认为Nesmith更适合防守Jalen Brunson，因为他的体型，而且正如Caitly
n你提到的，他能让溜马队在无球防守上有更多选择
However I do think that there is and I guess this is just your article by the
way Caitlyn
不过我也觉得（顺便提一下，这也正是你的文章内容，Caitlyn）
but having Nesmith there for screening actions off of Karl
让Nesmith去处理与Karl相关的掩护动作
if they want to involve as you said it may just end up putting Nesmith on Brun
son anyway
如你所说的，最后可能还是会变成让Nesmith去防守Brunson
And it also gets to start out every possession by putting you know Karl-Anthon
y Towns in that same paradox
而这样做每个进攻回合一开始就会把Karl-Anthony Towns放入那种进退两难的境地
that he’s completely gets wrapped up in when he’s being guarded by non-bigs
这种困境正是当他被非内线球员防守时经常面临的情况
So I think it’s worth a shot
因此我认为值得一试
As you know Caitlyn and as many anybody who listens to our podcast knows
就像你所了解的，Caitlyn，以及我们Podcast听众所知的
when you come up with some like hey this is kind of odd but I’d like to see i
t I always say yeah dude let’s see how it works
当有人提出一些奇特却有趣的想法时，我总是会说：“没错，兄弟，就试试看吧！”
So that’s that’s kind of how I come away from it
所以这就是我的看法
and Nembhard I mean a little bit chance of redemption maybe if he’s on Brunso
n you know maybe he’s maybe he’s feeling himself a little bit more
至于Nembhard，我觉得如果让他去防守Brunson，也许是个赎罪的机会，也许他会找回一
点信心
Who knows but I I would give it a shot
谁知道呢，但我会愿意尝试看看
[DJ Zullo]
Yeah I I think you almost have to go that route
没错，我觉得你几乎必须走这条路了
And it’s I will say I think Towns is probably after the Boston series and aft
er seeing against Detroit too
而且老实说，我觉得Towns经过对上波士顿和活塞的系列赛后
I think he’s a little more equipped to counter that in in the post and you’r
e seeing him
现在他在低位应对这种情况时，可能更有能力了，你可以看到他的表现
in whether it is post-ups or whether it is offensive rebounding I think he is
taking advantage
不管是低位单打还是进攻篮板，我觉得他正在有效地利用这种优势
as well as he can in terms of weaponizing wings guarding him
尤其是面对由侧翼球员防守他的时候，他特别能发挥这样的优势
And you know I’m heartened by the fact that he has been a little bit better a
nd I’ve been talking about this for a while
你们也知道，我一直有提到这点，我很高兴他最近有进步
Instead of trying to bulldoze his way to the basket against wings if he can ju
st face up rip and go
与其尝试硬扛侧翼球员强行推进，如果他能够直接面框持球突破
I think he’s a lot to handle
我认为他将会很难防守
And you saw that in game six against Jaylen Brown and then against Horford a l
ittle bit too
你们也看到了第六场对Jaylen Brown时的表现，以及稍微对上Horford时的状况
where if he makes quick decisions he can get there before double comes and he
can get all the way to the basket on a single dribble
当他快速做决定，就能在对方包夹前，用一个运球直接攻到篮下
He’s really ineffective I think Caitlyn this is probably where you’re going
with this as well
但我认为他真正无效的地方，Caitlyn妳可能也会这样觉得
He’s largely ineffective against post doubles especially coming from the bott
om or the baseline
当低位包夹从底线或底部过来时，他通常都会变得非常无效
He hasn’t solved that
这点他还没有找到解法
Now he’s better when he can face and see where the coverage is coming from
当他面框并且清楚看到包夹从哪里来时，他的表现会好得多
but if he’s trying to back down and it’s Myles Turner roaming that he can ge
t into a lot of trouble in those scenarios
但如果他试图背框单打，而此时Myles Turner又在底线游移防守，他会遇到很多麻烦
So listen I would be a little concerned about Nesmith in terms of foul trouble
老实说，我会稍微担心Nesmith陷入犯规麻烦
But in terms of like how to start the game I think you have to go that route
但如果讨论到比赛开局该怎么做，我觉得你必须要尝试这个策略
The only question maybe is whether Siakam is the guy to do it
唯一可能的疑问是，Siakam是不是更适合这个角色
or do you sort of use that in spurts and not may not maybe go that route cuz i
t feels like Siakam at least physically can handle that
或者你只是偶尔采用这个策略，而不是一直使用，因为感觉Siakam至少在体格上能胜任
I don’t know if that means now you’re bringing another screener into the act
ion
我不知道这是否意味着你现在得引入另一个掩护者
and you’re getting a secondary step up or you’re doing something to maybe in
volve Siakam in in that action
你或许需要有第二波掩护，或者其他方式来让Siakam参与其中
but it feels like he physically can can handle it
但感觉上，Siakam的身体素质确实能应付这点
I do wonder if Nesmith has the bulk and the physicality to ultimately push Tow
ns off a spot
我确实怀疑Nesmith的体格和力量是否真的足以把Towns推出他想要的位置
But if if Karl is doing what I think he should do and that’s like facing rip
and go I think he could be pretty dominant
但如果Karl能像我想的那样，采用面框持球直接突破，我觉得他将会非常具有统治力
But if he’s falls into the scenario of just like trying to back his way in of
f balance doubles come he’s not seeing it
但如果他又陷入背框单打的情况，被包夹时失去重心又看不清包夹来袭
then I think the Pacers are going to make out pretty well in that in that sort
of matchup
我认为在这种情况下，溜马队将会占据上风
[Benji]
Yeah I think Nesmith isn’t is the interesting I think probably most people wa
tching this will say isn’t Nesmith like option number three
是啊，我觉得Nesmith的情况很有趣，可能大多数观众会认为：Nesmith不是应该是第三选
项吗？
I mean let’s break down the options
我意思是，让我们仔细分析一下各个选项
You have the Turner option which would be the traditional matchup
你可以选择用Turner去防守，这会是传统的对位方式
that to Caitlyn’s earlier point almost all teams have gone away from putting
their traditional centers on KAT for all the reasons that we’ve discussed
如同Caitlyn稍早提到的，基于我们之前讨论过的原因，几乎所有球队都已经避免用传统
中锋去防守KAT了
We’ve been talking about this all season long
我们整个赛季都在谈论这件事
It was something that was going to happen when the trade was made
当初交易发生时，这是可以预见的情况
We knew Hart would be the guy the centers guard
我们知道Hart将会是由中锋来防守的人选
It allows now your best shot blocker in Turner to roam and clog everything els
e up the way Luke Kornet did in game five against the Knicks
这种策略可以让你最好的火锅手Turner自由游移防守，封锁其他所有空间，就像Luke Kor
net在对尼克的第五战所做的
And that’s been the traditional coverage now against the Knicks since basical
ly January
这基本上从一月以来就已经是对尼克队的传统防守方式了
Even if it was present all the way back in preseason it became the coverage st
arting in January
即使这在季前赛就出现过，但从一月开始才真正成为主流防守策略
So let’s assume they’re going to go to some route where not Myles Turner Myl
es Turner is guarding Josh Hart
所以我们假设他们会采用某种策略，而不是让Myles Turner防守其他人，而是让他盯防Jo
sh Hart
Is that the safe assumption Caitlyn in this scenario
在这个情况下，这样的假设是否正确，Caitlyn？
[Caitlyn Cooper]
It would be to be honest I’ll be surprised if they go to this in game one Smi
th or Nesmith
老实说，如果他们在第一场比赛就采用这种策略，无论是用Smith或Nesmith，我都会感到
惊讶
I mean I’ll be surprised if they go to a cross match in game one
我的意思是，如果第一场就采用交叉防守，我会觉得很意外
In my long term I think that they’re going to get to it but I won’t be surpr
ised in game one if it’s Myles Turner at the center
长期来看，我认为他们最终会走这个方向，但如果第一场比赛仍然是Myles Turner担任中
锋，我并不会惊讶
[Benji]
Wow that’s that’s what they’ve done the entire regular season
哇，这可是他们整个例行赛都在做的事啊
The only players that have guarded Karl-Anthony Towns are Turner Bryant Jax an
d Toppin when he’s been at the five
唯一防守过Karl-Anthony Towns的球员只有Turner、Bryant、Jax，以及当他打五号位时
的Toppin
It’s just with all of the evidence that has mounted since even the last Pacer
s matchup
不过从上次对战溜马队之后的所有证据来看
It’s like I mean that would be such a breath of fresh air
如果能换个方式，这真的会让人耳目一新
Not to say Turner can’t make things difficult on Towns but all of the sudden
now you open up the pick and pop game
并不是说Turner无法给Towns制造麻烦，但如果突然间你让他们打起挡拆跳投
which hasn’t been available to the Knicks in in five months essentially which
is crazy
这个战术尼克队基本上已经有五个月没有使用了，这真的太疯狂了
Back it but to DJ’s point Towns has been really good against the Pacers cente
rs at attacking quickly out of face ups and getting downhill out of fake hando
ffs
回到DJ的观点，Towns在面对溜马中锋时，面框进攻和假手递手后的快速下切都非常出色
They can’t close out to his right hand for some unknown inexplicable reason t
o me
我不知道为什么，他们就是无法阻止他的右手突破
But so what’s what’s the downside to Siakam as opposed to Nesmith like why i
s Nesmith the one you went to
但那么相较于Nesmith来说，Siakam会有哪些劣势呢？为什么你一开始就选择了Nesmith？
[Caitlyn Cooper]
Nesmith’s been better against Brunson
Nesmith在防守Brunson方面表现得比较好
and I’m assuming that KAT’s going to set the screen
而且我默认KAT会来掩护
and when they do if they bring another screener and like let’s pretend they w
ant Haliburton as the screener defender
当他们这么做时，如果又多带一个掩护者，比方说他们希望Haliburton作为掩护者的防守
者
Siakam getting over the top of that
Siakam要绕过掩护防守的时候
The inverted actions against Milwaukee were quite poor
他在对雄鹿队时的反向掩护防守表现非常糟糕
Samson probably has more evidence to this than I do but over like the last yea
r and a half
Samson可能比我有更多证据，但过去一年半左右
There’s many things that Siakam does well and their impact numbers are astron
omically better when Siakam is on the floor
Siakam有很多做得好的地方，而当他在场上时，球队的整体影响数据也好非常多
but that’s mainly about what he does off ball
但这主要是因为他在无球防守时的表现
I’d be a little bit nervous about him defending in space repeatedly against B
runson up at the top of the key
我会有点担心他一再地在三分线弧顶区域与Brunson进行空间上的一对一防守
So that’s kind of where I lean with that
这是我为什么比较倾向使用Nesmith的原因
And also like just real quick if you’re starting Nembhard out against Brunson
and anticipating that screen
另外补充一下，如果你一开始就让Nembhard去防守Brunson并预期会出现掩护的话
you’re going to be playing the Knicks much deeper into the clock
你会迫使尼克队进攻时间变得更晚，让他们进入进攻倒数
and the foul trouble is going to be mitigated against Nesmith because Nembhard
’s going to be a lot better at pressuring the ball without fouling
而Nesmith的犯规问题也会因此减轻，因为Nembhard在施压持球者时更不容易犯规
But I’ll let Samson speak to those things
不过我还是让Samson来进一步解释这点吧
[Samson Folk]
The late clock thing when I was poking around the Knicks are one of the best
我稍微研究了一下，尼克队在进攻倒数时
I think they’re a top two team in the playoffs so far at hitting shots in the
back and like the last four seconds of the shot clock
在这次季后赛中，是倒数四秒内命中率排名前两名的球队
I that’s obviously not predictive in the playoffs It’s just a I had I had th
e stat in my head
当然，这并不代表季后赛接下来就会这样，只是我刚好记得这个数据而已
So but it’s not predictive but it’s it’s it’s that’s been a Knicks thing
since Brunson came aboard
虽然不能完全预测，但自从Brunson加入之后，这确实一直都是尼克队的特色之一
Like they they are not they are very comfortable there now
他们现在对这样的情况已经非常习惯了
Sometimes too comfortable if you’re asking I think DJ would agree with me
甚至有时候可能太过习惯了，我想DJ会认同我的说法
but they are very comfortable whittling the clock down and letting you know Br
unson make a play at the end
但他们确实很擅长慢慢消耗进攻时间，最后再由Brunson来决定进攻的处理方式
Yeah Uh and just honestly Nesmith I think is uh more aggressive
嗯，而且老实说，我认为Nesmith更积极一点
Uh like I think Pascal obviously is a bigger body to that point but Nesmith I
think is really aggressive really feisty
当然，我也认为Pascal身体条件更好，但我觉得Nesmith更积极、更充满斗志
and will of course hearken back to what what we were talking about at the top
当然，这会回到我们最开始的讨论
which is that Karl despite obviously having improvements over time
也就是Karl虽然明显有所进步
it does if you’re trying to identify a potential weakness against one of the
best shooting bigs of all time
但如果你要试着找到这个史上最强投射型长人的潜在弱点
a guy who is like when he has his game going it’s he’s something to behold
他当比赛节奏掌握好的时候，真的非常值得观赏
trying to put him a step back or like kind of get him off rhythm You do that
如果你试图让他退一步，或者稍微打乱他的节奏，就可能成功
Now obviously Caitlyn I don’t know if that happens in game one
当然，Caitlyn，我也不知道第一场比赛会不会这样发生
but I do think that and yeah also when it progresses into later matchups with
you know screens switching and all that kind of stuff
但我确实觉得，尤其当后续比赛开始出现掩护、换防这些情况时
I don’t Pascal I don’t think you want like Paul George up above the break ni
mly bimy like around everything Yeah
我不觉得你会想让Pascal像Paul George一样，在弧顶附近灵活地来回移动追防
Yeah And the other thing is and I think if you watch the series last year
另外一点，如果你回头看去年的系列赛
Brunson obviously had a great game one solid game two
Brunson显然在第一场表现出色，第二场也很稳定
I think his performance against Nembhard is a has been a little overrated in t
he sense that the shot making
但我觉得他对上Nembhard的表现可能被稍微高估了，因为他命中的那些投篮
in the cuz he wasn’t getting to the rim and he wasn’t even getting into the
paint a lot
他当时其实很少能杀到篮下，甚至连禁区也没能深入太多
It was a lot of like left elbow right elbow just shooting over the top
多半是左侧肘区、右侧肘区这种位置的跳投
And listen he can do that against Nembhard who lacks the the size to really af
fect his shot
当然，他可以对Nembhard这样投篮，因为Nembhard缺乏足够的身高去影响他的出手
but it’s still a 45 to 52% on the high-end attempt in terms of the field goal
percentage
但这种投篮即便在高效情况下，命中率也只是落在45%到52%之间
[DJ Zullo]
So if he’s making those shots at 52% it’s going to be a hard series for the
Pacers
因此如果他真的能以52%的命中率命中那些投篮，这对溜马来说会是一个艰难的系列赛
But if it’s more in the range of you know 45 to 48
但如果他的命中率更接近45%到48%的话
I think you would live with that in the sense that you’re not gaining so much
of the
我觉得这样的结果你还能接受，因为这意味着你并没有承受太大的损失
you’re not risking the foul trouble as much Brunson getting to the line
而且你也降低了Brunson造犯规并站上罚球线的风险
and you’re keeping him out of the paint for the most part
而且你大致上能阻止他进入禁区
because that’s where I think Nembhard did a really good job last year at time
s just keeping him walled off
因为我认为去年Nembhard在这方面做得非常出色，有好几次成功地阻止了Brunson突破
It was just Brunson was so good in that intermediate mid-range area just makin
g really tough shots
只是Brunson在中距离区域太出色了，能投进许多非常困难的投篮
I mean they were they were fall-aways um pivot aways just a lot of shots that
he was taking and making
我意思是，他投中了很多后仰跳投、转身跳投之类的高难度投篮
It’s a really good contest from Nembhard
尽管Nembhard的防守非常出色
So I I think it and you look at games three three on Brunson had a pretty inef
ficient finish to that series
而且如果你再看看从第三场之后，Brunson在该系列赛中的效率明显下降了不少
So I think it would be if I’m a Pacer fan I feel a little more comfortable
所以我想，如果我是溜马的球迷，我会感觉比较安心一些
than I think the the the national media is suggesting regarding Nembhard just
being cooked by Brunson on in every game
相较于一些全国媒体所说的“Nembhard每场比赛都被Brunson彻底打爆”
I don’t think that was really the case
我并不认为情况真的是这样
It was some great shot making but I don’t know if it was sustainable shot mak
ing over you know a seven six seven game series
当时确实有很多很棒的投篮表现，但我不确定这种表现是否能在六、七场的系列赛中一直
维持下去
Nembhard’s better at playing at contain and Nesmith a little bit more ambitio
us and certainly has the more length
Nembhard在防守压制方面比较好，而Nesmith则更加积极，毫无疑问也拥有更好的臂展
For me it’s almost like through these three games in the regular season they
had they had more trouble containing Karl-Anthony Towns than they did Brunson
就我个人而言，从这三场例行赛来看，他们对Karl-Anthony Towns的防守明显比对Brunso
n更困难
And because of that like just by the numbers his touches 19.2 per 100 possessi
ons when he’s defended by guards
而根据数据来看，当他被后卫防守时，每100回合仅有19.2次触球
31.2 when he’s defended by centers
而被中锋防守时，每100回合则有31.2次触球
It’s a lot of like he gets marginalized it’s a lot of idle standing
换句话说，他被边缘化了，经常站在原地无所作为
So if the Pacers I mean if if they can just get him standing next to Aaron Nes
mith on the wing
所以对溜马队来说，如果他们能让他仅仅站在侧翼，被Aaron Nesmith盯住
and they’re funneling more through the you know the Brunson Josh Hart pick an
d roll which is a capable action
然后尼克队更多地使用Brunson与Josh Hart的挡拆，当然这仍然是个有威胁的战术
I just think that you have to be happier with that if you’re the Pacers than
what they’ve seen through the three regular season games
我想对溜马队来说，这会是比例行赛中所看到的情况更值得开心的结果
[Benji]
Yeah I I that’s why I mean if they do come out with Turner in game one and Ca
itlyn you know the team better than anybody
没错，这也是我认为如果他们真的在第一场比赛就派Turner防守的话，Caitlyn，妳比任
何人都更了解这支球队
to me that’s a huge win for New York
对我来说，这对纽约来讲将会是巨大的胜利
like however many possessions you can get to before Carlisle realizes he has t
o make that switch is like a bonus
意思就是在Carlisle意识到他必须做出调整之前，你能抢到多少个回合都是额外的收获
cuz most teams have both the Pistons and the Celtics almost came out game one
first possession in that kind of coverage
因为大部分球队，包括活塞和塞尔提克，几乎在第一场的第一个回合就采用了这种防守策
略
So that’ll be interesting
所以这将会很有趣
You know just kind of like a an offshoot of this of course is the is the Pacer
s full-court pressure
当然，与此相关的另一个议题就是溜马队的全场压迫防守
like they are a team probably more than any team in the league that provides t
hat that that 48-foot pressure
他们可能是联盟中最常使用全场48尺施压的球队
I am fascinated to see how the Knicks deal with that
我很好奇尼克队会如何应对这样的防守
What I thought was encouraging was in game six they started really they they t
hey began having a concerted effort screening at half court for Brunson
我觉得鼓舞人心的是，在第六场比赛里，他们开始有意识地在半场附近为Brunson设立掩
护
whether it was Hart whether it was KAT to just try to free him up
无论是Hart还是KAT来做这个掩护，目的都是想让Brunson能够轻松摆脱压迫
How much does Brunson even bring up the basketball and deal with all that pres
sure
Brunson究竟会有多少时间自己持球过半场，应付这些防守压力？
that’s going to that’s going to wear him down and then McConnell comes in an
d that that Pacers second wave comes in
这些全场压迫将会耗损他的体力，而当McConnell带领溜马第二阵容上场时
and they’ll also apply all that pressure
他们也会继续施加这样的压力
The Knicks right now are seven deep
尼克队目前实际上只用了七人轮替
So to me that’s kind of an interesting push and pull in the series
对我来说，这将是系列赛中一个非常有趣的攻防焦点
is how the Knicks deal with all that pressure the wear down on Brunson
也就是尼克队如何应付这种全场施压，以及Brunson的体力耗损问题
Does Josh Hart bring up the ball a little bit
Josh Hart会稍微多一些持球过半场吗？
how do they free him with those step up those step-up screens high up the floo
r
他们会如何透过半场以上的提前掩护让他摆脱防守？
what do you guys think there and how how are they going how do you think the K
nicks should approach that to kind of break down that pressure a little bit
你们觉得呢？尼克队应该怎么做才能有效地破解这种全场防守的压力？
[Caitlyn Cooper]
I can tell you that the Pacers kind of have a tendency to go overboard with ov
ers when teams counter with the three-quarter court and half-court screens
我可以告诉你们，当对手用四分之三场或半场的掩护来破解压迫时，溜马队往往会过度积
极地绕掩护
And sometimes that works in the offense’s favor
有时候，这反而会有利于进攻方
cuz if you’re giving up an odd-man advantage at three-quarter court
因为如果你在四分之三场就让进攻方获得多打少的优势
and Myles Turner sometimes they even have Myles Turner up at the level of thos
e screens at half-court
而有时候，他们甚至会让Myles Turner站在半场掩护的高度防守
and he’s having to cover that much ground
他必须要负责很大的防守范围
So sometimes I’ve seen that be fairly effective
因此我有时候看到这种策略反而相当有效
They dialed some of that back against Milwaukee which I thought was to their b
enefit
但他们在对上密尔瓦基时稍微减少了这种防守强度，我觉得这对他们有利
at least when Giannis was the bring-up ball handler
尤其是当Giannis自己带球过半场的时候
which will certainly be different in this matchup with what Brunson does
但这次面对Brunson肯定会有所不同
so well like when it’s not just using those screens it’s the fact that he ca
n he can reject them
Brunson并不只是使用那些掩护，他最厉害的是他经常能拒绝掩护，直接走另一边
he’s so good at that and get you now you’re off balance
他非常擅长这点，可以迅速让防守者失去重心
In game six you can watch I would say seven or eight drives happened just on h
alf-court screens that he rejected
在第六场比赛里，大概有七、八次他的切入进攻，就是透过他拒绝半场掩护而产生的
and now the whole defense is trying to figure out who’s covering Is there goi
ng to be a scram switch somewhere
然后整个防守端就必须赶紧重新调整，判断是否要进行即时换防
like how are they and they the Knicks got a ton of action out of that
而尼克队也因此制造了大量的进攻机会
I wonder I wonder if the Pacers will stay with it if the Knicks can counter
我很好奇，如果尼克队成功应对，溜马队是否会坚持继续这样的防守方式
and again like how much does Hart bring up the ball what what do you got on th
at
再一次地，Josh Hart究竟会有多少持球过半场的机会？你们怎么看这点？
[DJ Zullo]
Yeah well I think it just it speaks to the overall like my big concern coming
into the series
是啊，我觉得这其实呼应了我对这个系列赛最大的担忧
You mentioned seven guys and it I mean Cam Payne technically is in the rotatio
n
你刚提到尼克目前只用了七人轮替，虽然技术上来说Cam Payne也在轮替名单里
but he’s he’s getting spot minutes in the first half if that
但他充其量也只是第一节短时间上场一下而已
and it just feels like considering the the amount of ball pressure
再考虑到溜马队所施加的防守压力
considering the the mental stress of having to get back on makes misses
还有进攻结束后马上就得退防的心理压力
and to do that in that gauntlet for 48 minutes a night playing seven guys
然后每晚要靠七人轮替去撑完整场48分钟的比赛
You talk about the ball pressure
你提到的防守压力这点
It feels like where this — how the Knicks hold up if this series is extended
six seven games
这让我觉得，如果这系列赛真的拖到第六、第七战，尼克队是否撑得住？
Like what is this team going to look like towards the end of the series
到了系列赛尾声时，这支球队的状态会变成什么样子？
and I think it’s — of all the things we can talk about
我觉得在我们讨论的所有问题中
the Knicks being at seven guys and the Pacers going you know 10-deep
尼克队只有七人轮替，而溜马却有十人轮替
and playing with that pace and that fervor for that extended amount of time
并且能以高节奏、高强度维持那么长时间
It’s — of all the — it’s the the biggest question coming in
这应该是整个系列赛里最大的一个问题
Can the Knicks withstand that and how do they do it
尼克队到底能不能撑住？他们又该怎么撑？
[Benji]
I think it has to be some Brunson off ball
我觉得尼克必须让Brunson多一点打无球
I think the advantage of having those screens set at half court or even deeper
我认为，在半场甚至更远的地方设置掩护的一大好处是
is that you can — you can give Brunson a chance to get deep into the paint
你可以让Brunson更容易切入到禁区深处
which in the half court when the Knicks offense has bogged down
而当尼克的半场进攻陷入停滞时
it’s been a lack of gravity on the on-ball creator
问题常常出在持球进攻者无法吸引足够防守重心
whether it’s Bridges or whether it’s Brunson
无论是Bridges还是Brunson
they need someone to get deep into the paint
他们需要有人能杀进禁区深处
Not a paint touch where you’re outside the restricted area
不是那种只踏进油漆区边缘的切入
Are you creating a reaction by the defense
而是你是否真的迫使防守做出反应？
If you are setting screens at half court and you’re playing odd-man or even f
our-on-four
如果你在半场设掩护，制造出4打4或多打少的局面
I think you have a better chance with that sort of space to create those
你就有更多空间可以去创造机会
and that’s — that could be an advantage for the Knicks
而这可能是尼克队的一个优势
But again we saw the amount of driving Brunson had to do in the Indiana series
last year
但我们也看过去年对印第安纳那一轮，Brunson需要切入的次数有多么频繁
That’s a hard way to play
这样打真的很累
If you’re setting those screens up and then your big is now — whether it’s
Towns or Hart — is pretty much out of the play
因为当你设掩护后，你的大个子（不管是Towns还是Hart）几乎都被挡在战术之外
You saw that with Hartenstein last year
去年Hartenstein就是这样的例子
You can set the screen there but now you’re effectively — your roll game is
non-existent
你可以在那设掩护，但你的挡拆顺下根本无法启动
You can play Turner in a drop and you can corral and you can keep the big out
of the play
溜马可以让Turner站在落位防守区，控制节奏，把大个子排除在战术之外
Now how Brunson can attack that — that’s where the Knicks will get the advan
tage
现在关键在于Brunson怎么破解这样的防守，这会是尼克能否占便宜的关键
But it is a hard way to play offense
但这样打进攻是很累人的
And if Brunson is driving that many times a night and it’s — it’s a lot of
work
而如果Brunson每晚都要切入这么多次，负担真的很重
then you wonder how that can withstand over a long series
那你就会怀疑，这样的打法是否撑得过一个长系列赛
I think that’s — that’s the biggest concern going into this for the Knicks
from my perspective
这就是我个人认为尼克目前最大的隐忧
[Samson Folk]
Yeah to that point I think it is a huge swing in the series
是啊，关于这点，我认为这会是这个系列赛中非常关键的一个变量
because the Knicks will be able to get opportunities with the ball in Brunson
’s hand
因为尼克队确实可以透过把球交给Brunson制造进攻机会
It’s just about the totality of it and it’s like can you do this repeatedly
over the course of the game
但问题是这样的战术是否能够在整场比赛中持续执行下去
and also if you move the ball on to Hart like they — he might get pressed as
well
而且如果你把球交给Hart带上来，他可能同样会被溜马施压
Like the Pacers throw guys — like there could be a few different guys who are
still chasing him the whole time
因为溜马会派出不同的球员持续施压追防
And I do wonder if Brunson is able to be — like the efficacy of it is so good
as you say
我确实想知道Brunson能不能真的 — 就像你说的那样，保持那样高的效率
like getting downhill seven eight times in the past game just like breaking do
wn getting into the paint
就像他在上一轮比赛中那样，七八次直接杀进禁区，击溃防线
because of it with the screen rejects
尤其是因为他善于拒绝掩护的突破方式
Can he move the Pacers away from that
他能迫使溜马放弃这样的防守策略吗？
Do the Pacers take the long view regardless for the series
还是说溜马会从长期战略来看，坚持这套打法
How does that shake out
这会怎么发展？
Really it gives them an advantage but it also does conform play into something
that favors the Pacers
这种打法确实给了尼克一些优势，但某种程度上也正好符合溜马擅长的比赛节奏
[Benji]
That’s what makes it such an interesting push and pull
这也正是让这场系列赛攻防拉锯如此有趣的原因
And it is an every-other-night series I think Right
而且这轮系列赛是隔天就要再打的节奏吧？
I don’t think there’s any —
我记得中间没什么休息日——
[DJ Zullo]
So that’s an interesting wrinkle here that um I certainly I think plays into
the Pacers advantage
这也是一个很有趣的细节，我认为这肯定对溜马是有利的
I mean you never know with these things
当然这种事你永远无法百分百预测
but with the amount of minutes the Knicks guys are playing
但以尼克目前主力球员的上场时间来看
to play every single every other night with travel
还要每隔一天就打一场、而且还得搭飞机移动
it’s asking — it’s asking a ton
这真的太吃重了
It’s asking a ton from this Knicks roster
对这支尼克队来说，是极大的负担
[Benji]
Uh Dee what’s your — what’s your big question for the series hit us
DJ，你对这个系列赛最大的问题是什么？来说说看吧
[DJ Zullo]
Yeah so I think the double-big lineup for the Knicks — Towns and Mitch
我觉得尼克队的双塔阵容，也就是Towns和Mitch的组合
how effective can those two be against this Pacer team
对上溜马会有多大的效果？
and is there a specific lineup that you would unleash that against
有没有特定的对位组合你认为可以派出这两人？
um in terms of like how the Pacers are are playing it
就目前溜马的打法来说
you know I do worry about makes or misses — they’re pushing
我会担心入球或没入球之后，溜马都会快速推进
How does Mitch — how does Karl navigate that
那Mitch和Karl该如何应对这种节奏？
Are they getting matched up
他们能及时回防对上正确的人吗？
We have the the Mitch guarding seven eight ten players in one possession again
st the Celtics
像是对上塞尔提克时Mitch一个回合要防七八个人的情况
That’s — that’s made the rounds
那个画面已经疯传了
That was an amazing performance by him in that single possession
那个回合他的防守表现真的太精彩了
but really the whole series of guarding in space
但这整个系列赛他在空间防守上的表现也都不错
But I do wonder about being able to play those guys — you know 10 minutes a n
ight
但我会怀疑这两人是否真的能每场搭配打上10分钟
and being effective enough as offensive rebounders and as defenders in space
同时又能在进攻篮板与空间防守上都发挥足够效果
to really make it worth it
这样是否真的值得使用这套阵容？
And if not — because that’s a that was a huge advantage for them
否则的话…这本来应该是他们的一大优势
And it’s been that way for the playoffs
而且在季后赛中也一直是
They’re +13 in the minutes they’ve played
这两人在场时尼克队是+13的净胜分
If you can mitigate that advantage then I think it’s a problem for the Knicks
如果你能削弱这个优势，那对尼克来说就是个麻烦了
But you know the question I have is like can they be close to as effective aga
inst this Pacer team
所以我的问题是：这两人对上溜马，能否延续对波士顿与底特律那样的效率？
as they were against Boston and as they were against Detroit
就像他们对波士顿与底特律时那样有效？
[Caitlin Cooper]
I actually think that that could be an effective wrinkle
我其实认为这可能会是一个有效的变招
especially if they pair it — I would be very careful if I’m Tibs — to pair
Mitch’s minutes with Obi Toppin’s
尤其是如果Tibbs教练能够谨慎地安排Mitch和Obi Toppin同时上场的时间
If you can get the double bigs out there when Myles and Obi are out there
如果你能在Myles Turner和Obi同时在场时打出双塔阵容
or if they’re going super small — like Siakam and Obi maybe
或者当他们打超小球，比如用Siakam和Obi搭配的时候
but if you can match it with Obi I think it could be effective
但如果你能针对Obi的上场时间派出这双塔，我认为会是有效的
Because here’s what I will tell people
因为我要提醒大家一件事
The best way to limit the Pacers’ pace is to attack the offensive glass
限制溜马节奏最好的方式，就是强攻进攻篮板
The Milwaukee Bucks would not do that
密尔瓦基公鹿队就不这么做
It’s against Doc Rivers’s you know ethos as a coach to be sending multiple p
layers to the glass
因为这违反了Doc Rivers教练的战术理念，他不会派太多人去冲抢进攻篮板
If you do that — that’s typically what affects them the most
但如果你这么做，那往往是最能压制溜马节奏的方式
That’s why they looked as bad as they did against Cleveland
这也是为什么他们对上骑士时看起来这么挣扎的原因
when Cleveland had a 20-shot advantage against them
当时骑士队比他们多出手了20次
It will slow the pace — and also the basketball is the most important part of
basketball
这不只会拖慢溜马节奏，而且“篮球最重要的是掌握球权”这句话永远没错
I say that a lot but it’s true
我常说这句话，因为这是真的
Especially too — I mean Mitchell Robinson opens up offensive rebounding oppor
tunities for other players on the floor too
特别是Mitchell Robinson会为场上的其他队友创造更多进攻篮板机会
Cuz if you have to smash down to him now Josh Hart might get loose
因为如果你必须压缩防守去夹他，Josh Hart就可能空切得分
Now somebody else might on the perimeter might get loose
或者其他外围球员也可能趁机空档出手
And the other thing that I would say too is
另外我还想补充一点
his presence might impact how the Pacers are able to defend as well
他在场的存在，也可能改变溜马的整体防守方式
Because if they’re very concerned about the offensive rebounding opportunitie
s that the Knicks can get
因为如果他们太在意尼克的进攻篮板机会
they’re not going to double Jalen Brunson
他们就不会敢对Jalen Brunson进行包夹
They may not even be that active doubling Karl-Anthony Towns in the post
他们甚至也不会那么积极包夹低位的Karl-Anthony Towns
Because they might think “We got to stay home”
因为他们会想：“我们得留在原位守住篮板”
“We’re not going to try playing zone on those possessions because there’s g
oing to be too many holes”
“我们不能用区域联防，因为会有太多漏洞”
Like he could be a coverage predator — I don’t know what words you want to s
ay
他可能会成为破坏防守布局的存在，我不知道该怎么形容比较好
Coverage deterrent in terms of what the Pacers are able to put out there
总之他的存在会让溜马很多防守策略不敢使用
So I think it might be a little bit trickier if he’s out there when Siakam is
但如果他和Siakam同时在场，那情况可能就比较复杂了
Because Siakam is a crossmatch buster
因为Siakam是一个擅长打乱交叉对位的球员
And I’m guessing that they would probably try to put Mitchell Robinson onto S
iakam
我猜他们大概会让Mitchell Robinson去防守Siakam
and chance his shooting more than they’d be willing to chance Myles Turner’s
shooting
宁愿赌Siakam的投篮，也不敢赌Myles Turner的
and having him guard the pick and pop
也不愿让他去防守Myles Turner的挡拆投篮
And Siakam can be pretty effective against those fives
而Siakam在对位这类中锋时其实表现很不错
And when he’s defended by fives they’ll just use him as the screener instead
当他被中锋防守时，他们就会让Siakam自己变成挡拆的掩护者
Like in game five against the Cleveland Cavaliers he set 26 screens for the Pa
cers
就像第五战对骑士时，他帮溜马设了26个掩护
He was the most frequent screener for either team
是当场比赛两队中出现次数最多的掩护者
Which led to some pretty good things between he and Haliburton in the third qu
arter
这让他和Haliburton在第三节打出不少好球
So that’s an aspect of it
这也是这整个对位策略中的一环
They’re very magnanimous with who they’re willing to use as a screener
他们在使用谁来设掩护这件事上非常灵活
and when — depending upon who’s out on the court and where their advantages
are going to be
会根据场上人员以及可能的优势去做出调整
[Benji]
Man, my guess would be that when Mitch is in there with Turner, he would guard
Turner
我猜当Mitch跟Turner同时在场时，他会去防守Turner
the same kind of way you thought that they’d start with Turner on KAT
就像你刚说他们可能让Turner一开始对位KAT那样的方式
Is that Tibs — although he’s gone a little less traditional in the last coup
le series
Tibbs这教练虽然最近几轮比赛在用人上稍微没那么传统了
to all of our — we’re all so proud of him
我们大家对此都感到欣慰（笑）
He’s a pretty traditional guy
但他基本上还是个蛮传统的教练
And so I don’t know if he’ll crossmatch to Siakam in that matchup
所以我不确定他会不会在这个对位中把Mitch调去守Siakam
I actually would think to start he wouldn’t
我认为开场时他大概不会这么做
But that’ll be an interesting wrinkle
不过这会是一个很值得关注的变化点
I mean — but to your point — Mitchell Robinson in the playoffs has now rebou
nded over 20% of his team’s misses
不过，就像你刚提到的，Mitchell Robinson在季后赛的进攻篮板率已经超过了球队失手
投篮的20%
And that is absolutely absurd
这数据简直夸张到不行
He’s rebounding a fifth of his team’s misses
他抓下了球队每五次失投中的一次篮板
And you saw it in the Boston series
你在对波士顿的系列赛中也看到这一点了
When he came in for Josh Hart, it was like — fascinating
当他替换Josh Hart上场时，效果立刻显现，令人惊讶
Because Mitchell Robinson literally can’t shoot a basketball
因为Mitchell Robinson基本上完全没有外线威胁
The gravity he had on those pick-and-rolls
但他在挡拆时所制造的“重力”（吸引力）
Just getting to the dunker spot as a roller
只是顺下到篮下“灌篮区”这个动作
Allowed Brunson to play one-on-one
就让Brunson可以有一对一的空间去处理进攻
Whereas when Josh Hart was a screener — not — I mean he’s a good offensive
rebounder obviously
相对地，当Josh Hart担任掩护者时，他虽然也是一个不错的进攻篮板手
But not a lob threat, not a — at-the-rim offensive rebounding threat
但他不是能接空抛的选项，也不是篮下的强力进攻点
More of a guy who crashes from the perimeter
他比较像是从外围冲进来抓篮板的类型
His guy was just draped all over Brunson
所以他防守的那个人就可以完全贴住Brunson
He had nowhere to go
导致Brunson没什么进攻空间
Couldn’t work one-on-one
无法发挥他一对一的能力
So Robinson has that gravity as an offensive rebounder
因此Robinson即使不是作为顺下得分手
Not even as — like less as a roller and more as an offensive rebounder
而是作为进攻篮板威胁时，他的吸引力仍然非常巨大
Which — you gotta stay attached to him on that baseline
也就是说，防守者必须一直黏住他，不能放他一人在底线
And that is — it’s interesting how — how that might
这点真的很有趣，因为这可能会进一步
How that might divert the matchups for the Pacers
改变溜马原本的防守对位配置
[Benji]
Samson, anything on this — on this aspect?
Samson，你对这部分有什么看法吗？
[Samson Folk]
I do — I do just want to kick it back
有的，我确实想回应一下
Is like — when you see, obviously, Mitchell Robinson pursues the glass
就是，当你看到Mitchell Robinson那种不懈追求篮板的方式时
But when you’re watching — this is the end goal
但你在观察的时候，你会想问：这样做的最终目的到底是什么？
Is the best thing an isolation in like — just for Jalen Brunson to have room?
最好的结果，是给Jalen Brunson一个单打的空间吗？
Or what — like was Boston creative in creating any type of stoppage there?
还是说，波士顿是否有用创新的方式来阻断这一点？
Were there tags that like overloaded and they’re like
他们是不是采用一些协防策略，比如侧翼预判超载？
“You know what, we’re gonna let the weak side have something open and still
contain Brunson”?
像是“我们愿意让弱边出现空档，但我们要守住Brunson”这种打法？
Or is it just like facing the front of the play constantly?
还是他们只是一直针对正面去施压？
Were there any other breakdowns that you guys were seeing
你们有看到其他的防守破绽吗
that Mitch was able to, I guess, bring for the Knicks?
是Mitch为尼克创造出来的机会？
[Benji]
Yeah, I — to me it was — DJ you can speak to this also
对我来说是这样的，DJ你也可以补充
I think it was pretty front-facing
我觉得波士顿主要是从正面压迫
And it was like — because of the — Boston knew they had this
他们知道自己有优势
We can roam off Josh Hart anytime
我们随时可以从Josh Hart身上协防
And now Hart made them pay to some extent — which was very good
虽然Hart在某种程度上让他们付出了一点代价，这点很好
But I think it was almost like
但我觉得整体上
We can simplify everything else outside of that
他们把所有其他防守简化了
Which is why you didn’t see OG get many three — open threes
这也就是为什么你几乎没看到OG有什么空档三分机会
You didn’t see Male get open threes until really game six
你也没看到Miles Bridges有什么空档三分，直到第六战才开始出现
When they made — got all those paint touches I talked about
当时他们开始真的打进禁区，才创造出那些空档
But to me it was like
但对我来说重点在于
We’re going to limit the catch-and-shoot threes for the quote-unquote “good
shooters”
他们的策略是封锁所有纯射手的接球就投机会
We’re going to let Josh Hart have whatever he wants
让Josh Hart去投那些空档随便他
And then we can simplify it that way
这样一来整个防守轮转就可以变简单了
[DJ Zullo]
I think that’s on point
我觉得你说得完全正确
And I think the Towns post-ups with Mitch in the opposite dunker has been a ni
ce feature
我也觉得当Towns在低位单打、而Mitch站在对侧“灌篮区”时，是一个非常不错的进攻配
置
Because whether it’s Hart in the dunker or Hart spacing to the weak side corn
er
不管是让Hart站灌篮区，还是拉到弱边底角空间
It just makes it harder for that big — the double from the baseline
这都会让防守的中锋更难从底线包夹过来
Which as I mentioned has been the primary mode of scheming against Towns post-
ups
而这正是过去对付Towns低位单打时最常见的策略：从底线包夹
And then the Knicks have — they’re trying to lean into that
而现在尼克则试图在这上面做文章
You and I talked about this, Benji
Benji，我们之前有聊过
Where you know Towns is setting a pin-in for Robinson
就是Towns帮Robinson设立“封阻掩护”（pin-in）
To get to the other dunker spot
让Robinson能移动到另一侧的灌篮区
And that gives Towns — once he sets that dunker’s pin-in — really nice post
position
而这个掩护设完后，Towns就能拿到非常好的低位位置
Which has been sort of a ongoing puzzle for the Knicks to solve
这也正是尼克队长期以来一直在寻找答案的问题
To almost force Towns to have solid position
他们要设法“强迫”Towns能进入理想的进攻位置
And that’s been nice
这个战术很奏效
And then you’re limited to how well and how much you’re going to double off
those
而这也限制了防守端包夹的选择与效率
If Mitch is hanging out there — because if you’re coming over it’s an auto
offensive rebound
因为如果Mitch就站在那边，你一包夹就会送给他一个进攻篮板机会
So it’s — it puts a lot of pressure on the person tasked with doubling
所以这会对执行包夹的那个人产生很大的压力
If they’re doubling from the baseline to really affect the Towns post-up
尤其是从底线包夹Towns的那种方式
So that’s why it is more of a — you know just the physical impact
这就是为什么这整套配置带来的实质影响很大
That Robinson and the gravity he has on that weak-side dunker is really —
因为Robinson在弱边灌篮区的牵制力真的——
Has been impressive and nice for Towns and the offense as a whole
对Towns来说，以及对整体进攻来说都非常有帮助
Because you’ve seen drives too where Porzingis, Kornet — they’re not even c
oming over to help
你也看到对上波尔辛吉斯或Kornet时，他们甚至不敢协防
Because they’re either face guarding or they’re trying their best to wrestle
with Robinson
因为他们要嘛选择紧贴对位、要嘛努力卡住Robinson的位置
As the low-man defender — and it makes it — it just makes it much tougher
作为底线补防者，这样让他们的工作变得更加困难
So if they can — I think that could be something they get into
所以我觉得这会是尼克在进攻端能持续依靠的武器
Where offensively I think it’s — it’s going to work for the Knicks
我认为这样的进攻对尼克来说会很有效
How it works on the defensive end is where I think you’re going to get the fu
ll impact on that double-big lineup
但防守端的效果，就会是双塔阵容好坏的关键判断点
And there’s a lot of concerns there
而这部分确实有很多疑虑
But offensively they’re starting to lean into some really good stuff for thos
e two playing together
但在进攻上，他们已经开始找出让这两人同场发挥的好模式了
And I think it should carry over for the most part into the series
我认为这些优势多半能延续到这轮系列赛中
[Benji]
Yeah, should — should be an interesting battleground there in terms of how mu
ch —
是啊，那会是一个很值得关注的战场，特别是关于——
I don’t think that Rick Carlisle will be above going to hack-a
我不认为Rick Carlisle会排除使用“砍人战术”（Hack-a）
Just as Joe Mazzulla wasn’t above going
就像Joe Mazzulla也会采用那样的策略一样
I don’t think that he will be
我不觉??