Re: [闲聊] Swanson算是成功的状元吗?

楼主: rainmangay (Rainman)   2019-09-09 14:13:37
※ 引述《abc12812 ()》之铭言:
: PA HR AVG OBP SLG OPS+ WAR
: Dansby Swanson 1697 40 .246 .317 .390 85 4.0
: Swanson当年被鲁蛇第一指名选进 不久后被交易到勇士
: 被当作是未来勇士基石而早早就升上大联盟
: 不过到目前为止 累积了三个完整球季的成绩只能说是普普通通
: 算是比杂鱼板凳好一些但低于平均的表现
: 以状元的标准来看 这样的成绩算及格吗?
: 还是当初太早升被rush到了?
https://reurl.cc/ZnOgNV
用这篇文章回应一下,算是稍微帮天鹅哥平反一下。
稍微简述一下内容,
重点就是告诉你为什么认为他有很大的进步而且打出身价,里面用一种衡量方式,wOBA,
来衡量,这个指标算是衡量这颗球打出去成为全垒打或安打的期望值,算是衡量击
球技巧跟力量的指标。
Swanson连续几年都一直在进步,而且文章写的时候的2019超越了Harper, Goldschmidt,
Hoskins, 是Bellinger之外进步最多的。
自己认为:一个状元除了要打得好,以棒球这样长期培养的运动型态,能在大联盟等级持
续一直成长也是球员的价值所在吧?
底下附上最主要的论述段落:
Swanson is ...
Striking out less: 20.4 percent, down from 22.9 percent
Walking more: 9.3 percent, up from 8.3 percent
Hitting harder: 46 percent, up from 34 percent
Hitting fewer grounders: 39 percent, down from 44 percent
More importantly, when he hits the ball in the air (flies and liners), he's hi
tting it harder. In 2017-18, his hard-hit rate on balls in the air was just 40
percent. This year, it's up to 57 percent. It's where damage is found.
Those are all good things. But how do you combine them into one number?
The way we get to that is through Expected Weighted On-Base Average, which acc
ounts for quality of contact as well as amount of contact, in an attempt to re
move the effects of park and defense. (For example, when Swanson crushed a bal
l at 103.2 MPH and a 30 degree launch angle in the third inning on Sunday, we
give him credit for the fact that such a ball is a hit 80 percent of the time
and a homer 74 percent of the time, not that Ketel Marte tracked it down for a
n out in the deepest part of Chase Field.)
In 2017, Swanson's expected wOBA was .297, or in the 10th percentile. In '18,
it was .278, or in the sixth percentile. (The Major League average in '17-18 w
as .320.) So far in '19, Swanson is up to .373
作者: jeff1013 (jeff1013)   2019-09-09 14:21:00
他今年是有进步啦 但拿这篇这数据来讲也太怪这篇到现在都多久了Swanson现在本季wOBA也降到.323了
作者: littlebonnie (邦尼)   2019-09-09 14:23:00
abc一定看得懂这个 单纯只是蛇蛇最近很猛 不知道看了哪个新闻 发废文的动力增加了而已吧
作者: turkeyma (...)   2019-09-09 15:10:00
Swanson 在最热的时候(对费城双响砲)扭到腰 休息几天勉强回来就冷回去了 这是上半季末的事下半季打了10场对KC伤到脚踝 又被队医错误评估伤势结果伤停了一整个月因为勇士急着需要他的手套,所以他复健赛不算太完整回来之后的挥棒仿佛又回到他2017-2018 年的状态了以上半季来讲他进步很大 以伤停后回来这些场次来看好像那些进步又缩回去了不过他今年运气一直很不好 babip 很低是真的
作者: jeff1013 (jeff1013)   2019-09-09 16:01:00
他的babip哪有特别低跟他自己前两年的Babip几乎一样好吗= =
作者: turkeyma (...)   2019-09-09 16:21:00
跟平均.300 比就是偏低啊... 每天看球都可以看到他常常强劲的line drive被截杀 或 强袭滚地球被守下来
作者: sarserror (阎罗煞)   2019-09-09 17:36:00
他上半季击球数据很不错 Babip低就是运气差啊
作者: aikotoba (aikotoba)   2019-09-09 18:11:00
棒球是结果论 没打出去没打穿就是一个出局 管你击球初速
作者: JustinIdiot (←傻子)   2019-09-09 19:37:00
打者的BABIP不会修正回平均…投手的比较可能 我是说联盟平均
作者: sdiaa (桂纶镁)   2019-09-09 19:46:00
平飞被截杀强袭滚地球被守下来 一堆被布阵的都这样啊~
作者: sarserror (阎罗煞)   2019-09-09 22:27:00
你不管可以乖乖看热闹
作者: Rodriguez (Be Braves)   2019-09-10 07:44:00
卷毛本季根本是地狱倒楣鬼...天天看勇士比赛的都知道比起前两年.进步很巨大
作者: bravefan (卧龙)   2019-09-10 11:45:00
各数据的解释度可以讨论 但直接说棒球是结果论 那吃药也不用打星号了 这版上多数讨论也可废了 就贴贴战绩表吧
作者: Costco5566 (cc)   2019-09-10 13:41:00
就是葛草包还想平反阿
作者: Jo (端盘子的人生)   2019-09-11 08:16:00
让我重选,我会选Alex Bregman啦
作者: turkeyma (...)   2019-09-14 00:08:00
Dansby Swanson has certainly struggled since comingback, but he's also running into some terrible luckwhen he puts the ball in play. His hard-hit percentage on FanGraphs is really high at 43.3 and he has aBABIP of .233 since returning.提供上述讯息供大家参考今年成长被受伤打断了 明年再重新观察他的状况来评断吧不过说起来他也连续两年有缺席一整个月的伤了....

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