Should an NL pitcher’s hitting affect his Cy Young standing?
赛扬奖应该考虑国联投手的打击表现吗？
Should an NL pitcher’s hitting affect his Cy Young standing?
Posted by Pat Andriola
According to most of the established advanced pitching statistics, Matt Harvey
is having a better year on the mound than Clayton Kershaw is. Harvey's 2.00 FIP
and 2.60 xFIP trump Kershaw's 2.40 FIP and 2.94 xFIP by a pretty solid margin.
根据现有的进阶投手数据资料，Matt Harvey 今年在投手丘上的表现比 Clayton Kershaw
更好。Matt Harvey 他 2.00 的 FIP跟 2.60 的 xFIP 都比书僮的 2.40 FIP 以及 2.94
xFIP要好出一段距离。
But although Kershaw is likely to win the Cy Young (and quite possibly the MVP
as well), it isn't the infamous win-loss record that's putting him over the
top; his 13-7 record is solid, but traditionally pedestrian and arguably
competitive with Harvey's 9-4 record for a much worse team. Kershaw will win
the Cy Young because his ERA is a majestic 1.72, despite the fact that the
difference between his ERA and FIP/xFIP is easily explainable by a ridiculous
.231 BABIP and career-high left-on-base rate of 80 percent. Oh well, que sera,
sera; we've seen this many times before.
书僮很有可能夺下今年的赛扬奖 (还有可能顺便拿下MVP)，但这不是由于赛扬奖对胜负纪
录恶名昭彰的重视，他的 13 胜 7败很好，但是在一直明显较弱的球队投出 9胜 4败的
Harvey也不至于落后太多。书僮真正的优势在于他不可思义的 1.72 自责分率，尽管从他的
FIP/xFIP还有 .231 的 BABIP以及生涯新高的 80%残垒率都告诉我们这不真正反应实力。相
关的讨论在之前已经有过许多了。
But is there a sabermetric argument in favor of Kershaw topping Harvey? One
could argue that although Harvey's 5.9 fWAR (which is based off FIP) beats
Kershaw's 5.5, when you take batting WAR into account, Kershaw comes out ahead.
Harvey is hitting just .088/.088/.123 this year, good for an awful wRC+ of -53
and -0.3 WAR, dropping his overall fWAR total to 5.6. Meanwhile, Kershaw has
been one of the best hitting pitchers in baseball with a .156/.217/.250 slash
line in 76 plate appearances, good for 0.4 WAR, bringing his overall fWAR to
5.9.
那么，有任何棒球统计学上的理由支持 Kershaw 比 Harvey更适合拿赛扬奖吗？可能会有
人宣称虽然 Harvey 5.9 的 fWAR ( 此数据主要由 FIP 支持)胜过 Kershaw的 5.5，但是
如果你把两个人的打击成绩考虑进来的话，那么其实 Kershaw是胜过 Harvey 的。Harvey
今年的打击成绩只有 .088/.088/.123 ，导致了惨烈的 053 wRC+ 以及 -0.3 WAR ，使得
他总合的fWAR下降到了 5.6。相对之下，Kershaw 今年在 76 个打席中打出了 .156/.217
/.250 ，大联盟最佳的投手打击表现之一，贡献了 0.4 WAR并且让他的 fWAR 来到 5.9。
So the real question is: Should any of this matter?
所以现在问题是，投手的打击表现需要一起考虑吗？
First awarded in 1956 and invented by then-commissioner Ford Frick, the Cy
Young award purports to go to the "best pitcher." It's not a stretch to
distinguish between the "best pitcher" and the "player who pitches best" to
make the case that being a pitcher in the National League entails not just
pitching, but hitting.
1956年由后来成为大联盟主席的 Ford Frick 创立并首次颁奖，赛扬奖意图奖励 "最佳投
手"。但是在国联，由于投手也要打击，使得 "最佳投手" 和 "投球表现最好的球员" 两个
词出现了不同的意思。
Although we often think of pitchers hitting as some sort of cute sideshow to
"real baseball" that doesn't have much impact, the fWAR numbers aren't any less
real than those for Mike Trout or Miguel Cabrera. The only question is whether
the Cy Young award should consider a pitcher's season at the plate (and,
related, in the field and on the base paths, although those WAR numbers are
usually low enough to leave them as a non-issue).
尽管我们常常把投手的打击当成某种 "真正的棒球比赛" 之间不重要的穿插表演，计算出
的fWAR还是有一样的真实性，就像去年轰轰烈烈的 Mike Trout vs Miguel Cabrera 事件
一样。所以真正的问题还是，赛扬奖到底该不该考虑投手的打击表现，乃至更进一步，投
手的守备还有跑垒等等。
My gut answer would be "no," that for the purposes of the award the intent is
"who pitched the best," despite the "best pitcher" language. But in terms of
figuring out who had a more valuable season overall? Kershaw's bat may prove
determinative.
我的直觉反应是不，这个奖是为 "投球表现最好的球员" 而非 "最好的投手" 所设立的。
但是如果问题是谁的球季总体表现更好，那么 Kershaw才是正确答案。
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zkow最近你的表现真的让我不得不推你欸...

赛阳是比投票不是比数据 考虑太多就失去那种期待感了

zkow 长大了

投票的人会看数据啊

三楼让我笑了..

有躲人给推

Z尻有失水准，怀疑被盗帐号了。

z现在太棒了

zkow good

学长!请容许我 推你

你可以不要假装是zkow吗?

要不要call中职菇来帮你上上课？

最后一段那个定义是谁讲的 还是这篇作者自己觉得

因为很多只看ID就嘘

前科太多了被嘘刚好, 但改变值得鼓励

...

孩子的学习不能等(误)

完全不像z尻 完全不像z尻 完全不像z尻

不错喔 要角逐东山再起奖吗

完全没有嘘，完全没有嘘！

XDDD..还考虑打击..是要让人怎么活..都给躲人包就好

Harvey今年GG了 这话题炒不起来了

Zkow 大仙...

说前科太多，那就正好代表你跟本只看ID就嘘了

要嘛....看到ID就不要进来看不要看完用一堆似是而非的理由乱嘘，或是看ID直接嘘

大家都讨论起zkow来了 回到这个题目 我跟作者的结论那段反应

一样 我对CY Young的打击表现毫无概念 对他的印象都是在他的

投球记录 虽然棒球讲的是整体表现 但就像银棒是给进攻一样,CYA是给投球的～

最后一段完全不认同!! 话说一直搞不懂为何要嘘zkow

考虑完打击要不要考虑守备

Z尻不赖阿

最近怪事真不少阿....

....傻眼

Z尻有失水准，怀疑被盗帐号了

就事论事，最近真的蛮不赖

一直都是zkow阿（茶）13926 15479以前就有翻译文章了

还请持续提供优文^^ 感激不尽

翻得很好 可是错字注意一下 倒数第二段最后一行

话说Harvey受伤之后 这话题应该也结束了

不需要

13926 15479 joanzkow = zkow (V_V)

以前Z尻被骂是因为资料整理黑箱不是翻译吧?

那是另一个z Z尻被骂是因为他专门踩边缘钓鱼不过对事不对人 就翻译来看这几篇都有些有趣的点

好扯　这篇嘘不下去...

数据看心情的应该是BR哥.

考上政大就这样 我也是从政大毕业就变废文哥

之前就PO过翻译了...

阿对那是zwchih 抱歉搞错

看来三z头解体了 好感伤

不用吧

把ERA+算进去就够了

楼上，那本来就是评量投手的数据.........

我只是回应一下源坡的标题而已

葛战神表示: 算投手的打击成绩?

Cy Young 生涯 oWAR -1.5 (BR). Just saying.

zkow政大的???