Re: [闲聊] H2K 声明 : 不排除退出 EU LCS。

楼主: HKeSports (钟培生derek)   2017-09-02 16:01:32
一点的心得啦,从浅谈电竞抽出来
原文
https://goo.gl/N1hq12
会尽量回大家的问题,在不伤害任何人之下
收入来源
现时经营战队所得到的收入来源,大致可分为以下数项:赞助、奖金、补助金、周边、直
播、选手代言及直播分成、选手交易及联赛资格交易。
过往曾经在市场上出现了一阵“养”战队潮,现时在欧洲也有超过二十支职业足球队持有
电竞队伍,而著名的球星朗拿度也是一个俱乐部的老板。但时至今日已经进入了汰弱留强
的局面。因为随着电竞业发展,电竞选手的福利和保障愈来愈受外界关注,职业联赛有条
款强迫俱乐部遵守,而用意是用来保障电竞选手的。因此经营战队的弹性和空间愈来愈小
,而且一线选手身价愈来愈高并有价有市,连带带动二线选手身价,最后导致营运成本愈
来愈高,难以回本。
赞助
几乎每一支职业队伍都想收取赞助费,我个人认为赞助战队是有助提升该品牌的知名度和
销量,但除了赞助战队之外有没有更好的渠道呢?答案是有的,当赞助商在预算充足下,
成为某个职业联赛的指定合作伙伴(赞助)才是最好的选择。 赞助联赛本身有太多优势例
如所有参赛队伍的肖像权赞助商都能使用。因此很多队伍都逐渐失去他们的赞助。举我们
为例,在2013年我们队伍得到的赞助数量及金额是比近年来高。
奖金
大部分职业联赛对选手的合约都规定在最多两年。而所有比赛的奖金大部分都是归选手所
有,否则没有选手会同意这份合约,因此奖金并不是队伍注重的项目。例如英雄联盟由20
15年开始,地区联赛的奖金愈来愈低,但由地区联赛获得世界赛资格的机制及机会愈来愈
成熟,因此也变相在地区联赛也要努力作赛。而自去年的世界赛及季中邀请赛开始,奖金
及所分得利润有稍为回升。
补助金
有游戏公司会给予俱乐部一点的补助,但代价是俱乐部要遵守很多的条例,例如公司配套
的要求、选手的最低薪酬求,及为游戏公司提供选手肖像权。
周边
电子竞技改变了整个周边产品行业的生态,以前大家普遍对鼠标、鼠标垫和键盘等等没有
特别追求和喜好,大家都抱着可以用就行的心态。但随着厂商大洒金钱开发一些声称可以
提升游戏表现的周边产品,这个行业突然受到大家的注意。大家都开始追求周边产品的性
能,甚至带来一定的明星效应。
除此之外选手或战队偶然会与其他品牌合作,推出限量T-shirt等服饰。以上所提到的都
是实质的产品,但毕竟电竞的客户群是游戏玩家,普通玩家们都比较倾向把钱花在游戏内
的虚拟物品,这样的话战队和选手们便没有得益,最后受惠的也是游戏厂商。即使把两者
合并成捆绑式销售,例如买T-shirt送游戏虚拟物品并成捆绑式销售我相信情况也不会有
大分别并成捆绑式销售始终玩家们真正需要的不是那件T-shirt。
举暴雪为例,他们售卖周边多年,但实际所得的利润远不及售卖游戏内物品所得。但我认
为战队能够大幅推动到电竞设备的销量。战队跟键盘、鼠标等电竞设备的品牌进行合作或
优惠,例如推出战队专用耳机,这样可以令战队及设备品牌形成双赢局面。T-shirt精品
那些虽然也有少量收入但无法扩大,只是多除少补。
直播
中国的直播平台会直接跟战队签约,制订包含每月直播时数等条款的直播方案。不过中国
直播业发展到此,已经分出胜负,汰弱留强。那些平台已经不会再为了竞争而大洒金钱。
台港澳区流行的是Twitch,而Twitch已是世界知名因此不会分红给战队。除此之外,选手
在赛期过量直播也会影响比赛发挥,因此俱乐部亦会限制直播频率。
选手的代言及直播分成
走红的人已经一早成名了,而这种人亦知道自己的号召力,估算到自己就算不靠战队也能
在实况平台大赚特赚,因此当然不会分太多甚至不分给战队。台港澳区的商品代言大多是
找退役的选手或者网络名人,而且是个人而非团体。在稍后的泛娱乐化篇章会再详细讲述

选手交易
出售选手来赚钱在台港澳地区很难做到,因为出得起钱的战队大多来自中国的队伍,而台
港澳出身的选手亦会视为外援,在台港澳及韩国皆视为外援的情况下,其他赛区的队伍都
会认为引入韩援有利。大部份人觉得无论在话题性和实力上,韩国选手都会比台港澳看高
一线。
联赛资格交易
由于大部分电竞游戏联赛都规定一位队伍持有人只能持有一支队伍,因此有些由练习生组
成的“二队”到乙组参赛及作为锻炼的平台,如果有幸升上甲组时,就会将得到的资格出
售。就如上面所说,即使是乙组队伍,选手及后勤的薪资及宿舍等等的花费也是不容小看
,过去有实力的战队最少也花了三至四季在乙组才晋身甲组联赛,即使未能成为中上游,
身价及价值也会比在乙组时高出很多。因此有人会选择直接买下该资格而无需自组队伍,
就如一些在甲组末段班的足球队还是价值不菲的道理一样。
日后可见的经营模式
俱乐部的开支相当庞大,目前不同游戏的社群经济,其利益都是回流到游戏本身,所以不
能像传统运动一样能够透过代言来赚取大金钱。其实游戏厂商绝对有能力主宰所有战队的
命运,游戏厂商可以为联赛推出专属造型,只要把出售造型的收益的一小部分给战队,我
相信战队已经可以自负盈亏。
其后像足球的欧洲联赛冠军杯的做法般,游戏厂商将赛事转播及广告的收益分给战队,或
者为战队多作推广及广告,美化队伍的品牌的话,能够令俱乐部在各个领域得到变现的机
会。
※引述《fkc (Mr. 男子汉)》之铭言:
: H2K’S LETTER TO THE EU LCS COMMUNITY https://goo.gl/Q6FqJK
: Reddit 相关讨论 https://redd.it/6xgz7r
: ──────────────────────────────────────

: 大约几个小时之前, H2K 官方发表一封公开信
: 声明若 Riot 不更改联赛相关的各项规定(主要是关于 $$ 的部分)
: 将不排除退出 EU LCS。
: 公开信原文(略翻,使用死鱼的好棒棒翻译法):
: While H2K’s ownership is based in the U.S., H2K’s roots are in Europe and
: we are committed to the EU region so long as we continue to compete in the
: League of Legends.
:
: H2K 的所有权发迹于美国,但 H2K生根于欧洲;我们 H2K 在欧洲区域表现的好棒棒。
: During the almost two years since the change in H2K ownership, we have been
: privileged to develop close personal relationships with our players,
: cultivate a brand with strong ties to European fans and worked with great
: European partners including our media agency, sponsors and talented
: professional advisors. We believe that our core values and the environment w
e
: have created for our players are distinctly European. It’s for these
: reasons and others that players have been attracted to working with H2K and
: why all members of the 2017 H2K starting roster signed with H2K without
: seeking offers from other teams.
:
: H2K 的所有权变更后,经过了约两年;H2K 一直与欧洲粉丝保持好棒棒的关系
: 并且和许多专业人士,进行好棒棒的合作。
: H2K 深信 H2K 的为欧洲选手所创造的核心价值和好棒棒的专业环境
: 就是所有 2017 H2K 的先发选手都没有跑去跟别人签约的主因。
: We believe that League of Legends is the major league of esports and that
: RIOT has developed the most structured and organized league in esports. We
: also believe that RIOT, as the developer and owner of the software, is
: entitled and should derive very substantial financial benefits for the risks
: it has taken in developing a highly creative and unique electronic game whic
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: is played worldwide by more than 100 million users per month. We too love
: this game, the competitive league created around it and all the fans that
: support H2K and the EU LCS.
:
: H2K 相信 LOL 是个好棒棒的游戏和电竞项目
: H2K 也相信 Rito 是个好棒棒的软件开发商和开发者
: Rito 理所当然有权力为了他在开发游戏中所承担的风险,而从中获得经济利润
: 因为大家,包含 H2K,都太爱这个好棒棒的游戏了。
: Sadly, however, from a business perspective we consider it irrational to
: continue in a partnership where our partner earns very substantial annual
: profits while, by contrast, we incur annual losses of over €1,000,000. The
: financial arrangement between RIOT and the teams is unfortunately backward
: and upside down. The fact is that most League of Legends teams lose money.
: Operating costs continue to increase dramatically and RIOT’s team
: compensation only covers a small fraction of those costs. In essence, team
: losses are subsidizing the marketing activities of a multi-billion dollar
: company.
:
: 难过的是,我们 H2K 每年都亏钱,哭哭;赔到要做不下去了。
: 我们每年大概赔个 €1,000,000 欧元(1 欧元,约35.7台币;总计约三千五百万台币)
: Rito 和战队之间的经济收入安排,非常不棒棒
: 事实上,大部分的战队都在赔钱,哭哭
: 经营战队的开销越来越高,而 Rito 在经济方面给的补偿却少得可怜,哭哭
: H2K as a premier team in the EU LCS, together with the other professional
: teams competing in the League of Legends, are the fundamental foundation of
: the League of Legends’ food chain. It’s the teams who identify, secure and
: financially support the players. It’s the teams who, in building their
: brands, also promote RIOT and the League of Legends. It’s the teams who
: principally promote their players and attract the loyalty of fans. It’s the
: teams who will fight hard to retain the best EU players in the EU while
: competing with the giant size NA LCS franchise structure. Without H2K and th
e
: other teams in the professional leagues, there would be no games for fans to
: watch, RIOT’s $2 billion in annual in- game sales would decline
: dramatically, RIOT’s streaming/broadcasting revenues (which will exceed $
: 50 million annually) together with in- game ads and major league worldwide
: sponsorships would disappear.
: H2K 是一支好棒棒的 EU LCS 队伍
: 为了选手的权益和粉丝的付出,我们强力抵制 NA LCS 式的联盟化组织结构
: 如果 H2K 和其他队伍退出, Rito 一年至少会短少 $ 20亿美元的游戏相关收入,哼哼
: 而且,和 Rito 合作的转播协力者也会森77,哼哼
: (因为 Rito 每年收的转播权利金是 $5 千万美元)
: With H2K, since January of 2017, having already subsidized RIOT in excess of
: €2,000,000, the current situation is not sustainable and cannot continue.
: The partnership with RIOT is neither rational nor fair. As our partner, RIOT
: should provide financial stability for the teams. The teams in the EU LCS
: should not be expected to continue to subsidize a multi-billion dollar
: company.
: 对于 H2K 来说,从2017 年 一月,已经给了 Rito 超过 €2,000,000 (约七千万台币)
: 这样的日子过不下去了,哭哭
: 身为好伙伴, Rito 应该提供稳定的经济支援
: 不应该是 EU LCS 的队伍把钱掏出来,给一个几十亿资本额的公司
: Accordingly, H2K ownership has made the decision that we will no longer
: financially subsidize RIOT and will not continue in the EU LCS beyond the
: 2017 season UNLESS RIOT creates a new financial and operating structure. RIO
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: must provide the EU LCS teams with the realistic opportunity to earn through
: subsidies and revenue sharing, minimum compensation of at least €850,000 pe
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: year. Recognizing that as teams we must perform and contribute to the succes
s
: of the league, we accept that a portion of the revenue sharing should be
: based on competitive performance, viewership, effective branding activities
: and other reasonable metrics. Also, critically important to the teams is tha
t
: any planned changes to the EU LCS structure planned by RIOT for 2018 and
: beyond must actually increase the value of the legacy team slots and not
: diminish them.
:
: H2K 的经营者已经决定不会再给 Rito 钱钱了,并打算退出 EU LCS
: 除非 Rito 提出新的经济和经营合作结构
: Rito 的每年收的钱和权利金分配补助,至少要给出 €850,000 (约两千九百万台币)
: H2K ownership and management very much wish to continue in the EU LCS. We
: have been patient partners with RIOT and they are fully aware of our concern
s
: which have been discussed for many months. We now look to RIOT to make the
: changes dictated by fairness and common sense.
:
: H2K 很希望继续打 EU LCS
:
: Richard Lippe, Board Co Chairman H2K
: Susan Tully, CEO H2K
: ──────────────────────────────────────

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