推 ieoboy: 简单来说，子的人性是在创世前父预定所造，并在父ㄧ切预定 03/11 01:05
→ ieoboy: 创造以先，而后在马利亚腹中取了人性(人性纳入神性)，并进 03/11 01:05
→ ieoboy: 入肉身成为人的样式。 03/11 01:05
我觉得还是以’两种时间观’来阐述比较清楚：从神永远救赎的计画－经论的角度而言，
基督的人性是在创世之前就被造了，因此是第一个被造之物。但是从人类的历史观点而言
，基督是在２０００前成孕的时候，由圣灵在玛利亚腹中创造了一个人性（参考约翰欧文
＜圣灵论＞），进而取之。
推 ieoboy: 所以箴8:22 way(造作)的原意是否就是指造物，就很重要， 03/11 07:05
→ ieoboy: 老鱼弟兄有相关资料吗？ 03/11 07:05
Strong’s原文码就很清楚. way的原文是:
derek
deh'-rek
From H1869; a road (as trodden); figuratively a course of life or mode of
action, often adverbially: - along, away, because of, + by, conversation,
custom, [east-] ward, journey, manner, passenger, through, toward, [high-]
[path-] way [-side], whither [-soever].
它的字根是:
daak
daw-rak
A primitive root; to tread; by implication to walk; also to string a bow (by
treading on it in bending): - archer, bend, come, draw, go (over), guide,
lead (forth), thresh, tread (down), walk.
darak的意思是一条线;可以被用为走路,或为弓上弦.到了derek,就变成一条马路;并可被
用来生命的过程或行为的方式.换句话说,这个字具有一种先后次序,或一连串发生的事件
的意思.例如john gill的解释则是:"as he was "in the beginning of his way" of
creation, when he went forth in his wisdom and power, and created all things;"
明显的,way跟道做为创造时神的智慧和能力有关.Gill还说:" and "in the beginning
of his way" of grace, which was before his way of creation"这则是把way与恩典连
系起来,但是,时间点仍然在creation之前.
但是若您回去看经文,您会发现这处经文用了两个条件来肯定这个时间点在创造前:
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me (1)in the beginning of his way, before (2)his
works of old.
另外,亚他那修在<Four Orations>2.22.51说到:
51 (continued). For the passage in the Proverbs, as I have said before,
signifies, not the Essence, but the manhood of the Word; for if He says that
He was created ‘for the works,’ He shews His intention of signifying, not
His Essence, but the Economy which took place ‘for His works,’ which comes
second to being. For things which are in formation and creation are made
specially that they may be and exist2541, and next they have to do whatever
the Word bids them, as may be seen in the case of all things. For Adam was
created, not that He might work, but that first he might be man; for it was
after this that he received the command to work. And Noah was created, not
because of the ark, but that first he might exist and be a man; for after
this he received commandment to prepare the ark. And the like will be found
in every case on inquiring into it;—thus the great Moses first was made a
man, and next was entrusted with the government of the people. Therefore here
too we must suppose the like; for thou seest, that the Word is not created
into existence, but, ‘In the beginning was the Word,’ and He is afterwards
sent ‘for the works’ and the Economy towards them. For before the works
were made, the Son was ever, nor was there yet need that He should be
created; but when the works were created and need arose afterwards of the
Economy for their restoration, then it was that the Word took upon Himself
this condescension and assimilation to the works; which He has shewn us by
the word ‘He created.’ And through the Prophet Isaiah willing to signify
the like, He says again: ‘And now thus saith the Lord, who formed me from
the womb to be His servant, to gather together Jacob unto Him and Israel, I
shall be brought together and be glorified before the Lord2542
（继续）如同我前面已经说过的，箴言中的经文并不是指道的素质，而是祂的人性；因为
若祂（父）说祂（子）乃是为了‘作品（works）’被造，祂想要表明祂的动机并不是要
表达祂的素质，而是那个‘为了祂作品的缘故’而随后产生的经纶（Economy）。凡被塑
造和创造的万物都是特别为了它们的存在而被制造的，好叫它们能够执行道所吩咐他们的
，我们在万物中都能够清楚的看见这点。亚当的被造并不是为了他能够做工，而是让他先
成为一个人；而是在这之后，祂才领受命令做工。诺亚并不是因方舟被造，而是祂能够先
成为一个人，然后再领受预备方舟的命令。在我们查考的每一件事例都是如此；

老鱼弟兄，感谢您提供的资料，没有问题了。

我重复,这个问题不是'基要'的,属于可以讨论的范围.:)不过,我还没进入创造论的问题呢!:))

呵呵，如果有疑虑，我一定会用力的请教和讨论的！