Re: [闲聊] Westworld的时间问题

楼主: fisher02 (fisher02)   2016-11-30 11:15:03
时间轴在reddit上有一篇年代推测文写得蛮清楚的,
http://goo.gl/SQCQFU
大家可以看看互相印证,
作者IamAbernathy截了一堆图跟还有短影片做佐证,
看了应该就不会觉得剧情处理粗糙了,
相反地应该是很细腻才对。
下面稍微贡献一点简单翻译
第一时期: 到现今时间点的30-37年前
图灵测试期(34-37年前)
"For three years, we lived here in the park, refining the hosts before a
single guest set foot inside. Myself, a team of engineers, and my partner.
His name was Arnold. Those early years were glorious.
No guests, no board meetings, just pure creation. Our hosts began to pass
the Turing test after the first year" (Ford, episode 3).
Bernard说过Arnold在40年前公园刚要创立时写了一半的程式码。
不过图灵测试期是我们从剧中了解到最早的Westworld时间点,
这段时间是Ford, Arnold跟他们的团队开始完善接待员以及想办法通过图灵测试的时间。
根据以下台词,我们可以简单推理出这个“3年测试期”发生的时间点。
"Last contact: 34 years, 42 days, seven hours ago"
(the day that Arnold died) (Dolores, episode 5).
从Dolores口中我们得知Arnold在34年又42天前死了,
"And then right before the park opened, one of the partners
killed himself" (Logan, episode 5).
"For three years, we lived here in the park, refining the hosts
before a single guest set foot inside" (Ford, episode 3).
Logan说Arnold死在公园开幕前,并且我们知道他跟Ford在公园开幕前一起工作了3年。
所以这代表公园开放给游客进入是大约34年前(Arnold死后不久),
并且图灵测试期他们一起工作了3年,大约37年前开始。
从Ford第3集跟Dolores第8集的回想,我们得知当时还有其他的接待员参予,
有Dolores, Maeve, Angela, Peter Abernathy, Armistice以及Lawrence的女儿
Dolores跟Arnold的小房间时光(34-36年前)
"There's something I'd like you to try. It's a game. A secret.
It's called the Maze. It's a very special kind of game, Dolores.
The goal is to find the center of it. If you can do that,
then maybe you can be free" (Arnold, episode 4).
我们现在知道这些是Dolores跟Arnold之间的会话,
因为我们已经知道Bernard是按照Arnold的样子作出来的。
我们同时还知道这些会话是发生在白教堂下面的检测设施中,
因为我们看到了Dolores进入了设施中的回想画面
"It's a remote diagnostic facility. Ford and his partner used them when
the park was in beta. I had no idea this one was here" (Bernard, episode 7).
这些会话大概是发生在第一批接待员通过图灵测试后(在公园开始工作一年后),
在Arnold挂掉之前(34年前),所以基本上发生在34-36年前
"I think it would be best if you not mention the things we've been
talking about" (Arnold, episode 2)
Arnold跟Dolores的这些会话是秘密进行
"There's something different about you, about the way you think.
I find it fascinating, but others may not see it that way" (Arnold, episode 2)
"It's like the other books we've read. It's about change.
Seems to be a common theme (Dolores, episode 3).
在前2次会话(第2, 3集)中,他们讨论了一些“改变”,
Arnold似乎为了Dolores的不同与特别感到着迷
"I need to decide what to do with you. I think I made a mistake.
I was just fascinated. I was being selfish, but I think it would be
better if I restored you to the way you were before (...) No, Dolores.
Let's see where this path leads" (Arnold, episode 3).
在第3次会话中(第3集),Arnold有点怀疑自己对Dolores作的事情对不对,
但是当她展现出人性与知觉的迹象的时候,Arnold就决定要继续下去
"There's something I'd like you to try. It's a game. A secret.
It's called the Maze. It's a very special kind of game, Dolores.
The goal is to find the center of it. If you can do that,
then maybe you can be free" (Arnold, episode 4).
在第4次会话中(第4集),Arnold决定要让Dolores试试看迷宫游戏,
把她从白教堂小镇中送走,去找迷宫的路径.
"You came back. It's very good to see you, Dolores"
"I've been looking for you. You told me to follow the Maze.
That it would bring me joy. But all I found was pain and terror"
(Arnold and Dolores, episode 9).
第5次会话中(第9集),我们看到Dolores在寻找完迷宫路径后回到有白教堂的小镇
并且与Arnold重新碰面
"Good morning. Did you find what you were looking for, Dolores?"
(Lawrence's daughter, episode 8).
Dolores离开过有白教堂的小镇然后又回来这件事情,
经由Lawrence女儿在她回来的时候问她”有没有找到去找的东西”而証实
所以Dolores跟Arnold之间的会话秘密的发生在白教堂下面,
然后Arnold叫Dolores去找迷宫,然后她找完以后又跑回来
甜水镇与有白教堂的小镇(Escalante)发生大屠杀(30-34年前)
"The park hasn't had a critical failure in over 30 years" (Bernard, episode 1).
在Dolores第8集中的一次回想中,我们看到了有白教堂的小镇发生大屠杀,
如果我们假设Ford在第3集中的一次回想(里面相同场景中众人在跳舞,
应在大屠杀发生前)的时间是在接待员通过图灵测试后(34-36年前),
这样Dolores的回想也在同一时期就解释得通。并且因为Theresa说公园已有
超过30年没有发生重大问题,我们可以估计大屠杀是发生在30-34年前之间。
是什么事件导致了大屠杀,以及大屠杀是怎么展开的,仍然不清楚。
但我们也从Teddy的角度看到了他的版本的大屠杀,Teddy跟神秘的Wyatt用步枪射击
着人们。北军军人跟Teddy把这个镇叫作Escalante。而我们也在Dolores第8集的回想中
看到里面有Teddy用枪杀人。在预告片中,我们则是看到Teddy跟Dolores在大屠杀
结束后站在一起,所以被上传到Teddy脑海中的Wyatt故事线似乎是在反映小镇中
真正发生过的事情。
"No. No, I couldn't have"
"You did. And you will again. This time we'll be fighting with you.
When Wyatt returns, you'll be by his side in the city swallowed by sand"
(Teddy and Angela, episode 9).
在我们看到的第1、2、3、4次的Dolores回想有白教堂的小镇片段里面,
似乎没有给我们更多的资讯,而是用碎片化的方式讲述了”
导致大屠杀及大屠杀后发生的事情”。 在第2集中,我们也看到了Dolores对
甜水镇的回想描述了一场类似的大屠杀,而这两个事件彼此有无相关仍不清楚。
"What was the last thing he (Arnold) said to you?"
"He told me I was going to help him. To destroy this place"
(Ford and Dolores, episode 5).
"The man I'd be asking died 35 years ago. Almost took this place with him.
Almost, but not quite, thanks to me" (The MiB, episode 5)
无论大屠杀是不是最终导致Arnold挂点以及差点拉整个Westworld陪葬的事件
还不清楚,不过如果是的话,这个事件大概发生在34年前,
这也说明了MiB在那个时间点不可能来过Westworld,
因为他只来了30年。(除非Arnold在大屠杀发生之前就挂了,然后死了以后
还有影响力可以导致大屠杀发生)
第二时期: 到现今时间点的30年前
Dolores & William (30年前)
"I've been coming here for 30 years" (The MiB, episode 1).
William跟 Logan 来到Westworld并且Angela(升级过版本)作为迎宾接待员接待了他们,
在这里我们看到了旧版Westworld的logo,这个logo也出现在一台电脑及工程夹克上
William跟 Logan 进到甜水镇,在去出赏金任务抓Slim之前住了一个晚上。
在他们出任务前,William第一次遇到Dolores然后捡了罐子
当他们进来时,看到的是北军招募军人,而不是现今时间点中警长招募人
抓Hector的场景。同时我们也看到Clementine跟旧的老鸨站在Mariposa外面,
那个位置是Clementine跟Maeve在现今时间点通常站的位置。Clementine跟旧的老鸨
也在Maeve在现今时间点里看的Westworld广告里出现过
出Slim赏金任务时,Dolores在晚上遇到他们,隔天早上在他们的营地起床,
Dolores从一条毯子上起床的时候手里拿着枪, William则在她旁边。
这里键盘推断从这个画面里出现的Dolores是现今时间点里那个记得在谷仓里遇过MiB、
记得旧老爸(Peter)、把想强暴她的恶徒(Rebus)干掉、又从他的党羽手下逃走的Dolores。
但是要让这双时间线理论成立,必须是以下两种情况之一:1)我们看到的是
现今时间点的Dolores从毯子上起床然后手里拿着枪,接下来接到30年前William
在她旁边的画面;2)30年前也发生过跟现今时间点类似的事情让她从每日的循环中
逃了出来,但是我们没看到30年前所发生的事件
William跟 Logan决定带着Dolores出赏金任务并且去了Lawrence的老家然后遇到
一个想把Dolores带回农场的家伙,但是William说了Dolores是跟她一起的挡了下来
我们又遇到了问题,这个画面接下来是在现今时间点里一个女性Westworld工作人员
(她提到了Ford的新故事线)告诉Stubbs说Dolores跳脱了循环并且她是不是跟游客在一起
并不清楚。Stubbs告诉她把Dolores标记给行为部门并且找个人去检查。所以很明显地,
Lawrence老家的这个画面如果也是双时间线,必须是以下两种情况之一:1)来抓Dolores
的家伙只是一个随机出现的接待员要把她带回到,但是发现她跟游客在一起以后就
放弃了;或者2)Westworld在30年前也有派个人去检查Dolores,就像在现今时间点
干的事情一样,事情也有可能是这样,因为接待员如果发生大偏差就要
检查应该是标准程序(不过30年前他们为什么不知道Dolores是跟游客在一起就不清楚)
他们找到然后抓住了Slim,Slim告诉他们"El Lazo" Lawrence在Pariah。
他们去了Pariah然后遇到Lawrence,帮他搞了硝化物,甩掉Logan,
并且跟Lawrence一起坐火车去前线
他们经过了Ghost Nation区域,William跟Dolores一起睡觉,然后南方军攻击了火车
他们到了一个跟Dolores画中想像的风景长得一样的地方,他们告别Lawrence,
然后到了一个Dolores觉得她到过的湖并且遇到一个年轻的南方军,
然后他们到了Nowhere Land(以前是有白教堂的小镇)
Dolores的过去关于大屠杀记忆开始跑出来,William跟她说他们必须离开因为这个地方
对她不好。他们又遇到在找他们的Logan
Dolores跟William被带到Logan当将军的军人营地里,Logan折磨Dolores并且
要William回到现实搞清楚这只是个游戏
在这里我们看到Logan给了William她妹妹的照片,也就是Peter Abernathy在
现今时间点里看到以后开始怀疑现实的那张照片
Dolores 想办法逃走并且William告诉她会后续跟上来。William假装跟Logan和好,
喝到烂醉,当Logan不省人事的时候,William作掉了所有军人说他终于知道怎么玩了,
他告诉Logan他要去找Dolores然后Logan必须帮他
“Then, when are we? Is this now? Am I going mad? Are you real? I can't
tell anymore. It's like I'm trapped in a dream or a memory from a life
long ago. One minute, I'm here with you, and the next... This is what Arnold
wants. He wants me to remember” (Dolores, episode 8).
这部分Dolores跟William情节的画面有些看似彼此冲突,那是因为编剧想要我们搞混,
他们故意让事情很含混不清,他们不想让你立刻确定是双时间线,同时他们又想要你
重看的时候能够感觉到编剧知道自己在干什么,所以这就需要出现一些模糊的画面
我们看到的是Dolores的视角,她自己本身已经很错乱搞不清楚发生的事情,
并且她同时间在经历不同时间线(大屠杀、跟William在一起的时候、现今时间点)。
Felix说了接待员们回忆的时候实际上是重新经历这些事情(第8集),所以这就会
让所有人都很不容易搞清楚
第三时期:现今时间点一年前
Maeve 跟 MiB (1年前)
"You've only been the madam at the Mariposa for the last year or so"
(Felix, episode 6).
"Then, last year, my wife took the wrong pills. Fell asleep in the bath.
Tragic accident" (The MiB, episode 8).
尽管Maeve曾相信她自己在Mariposa当了10年老鸨,但是一年前不知道什么时候
Maeve是个跟女儿住一起的普通居民,在她的回想中我们看到了一些她的故事线里
被攻击片段
一年前MiB的老婆在浴缸里死了,他认为是意外但是他女儿Emily说是自杀
"Then, at the funeral, I tried to console my daughter. She pushed me away,
told me that my wife's death was no accident... that she killed herself
because of me. Emily said that every day with me had been sheer terror.
At any point, I could blow up or collapse like some dark star. (...) She said
if I stacked up all my good deeds, it was just an elegant wall I built
to hide what's inside from everyone, and from myself. I had to prove her
wrong, so I came back here" (The Mib, episode 8).
"But that time, I didn't join one of Ford's stories, I created my own.
A test. A very simple one. I found a woman, an ordinary homesteader and
her daughter. I wanted to see if I had it in me to do something truly evil.
To see what I was really made of. I killed her and her daughter just to see
what I felt. I felt nothing. Then, just when I thought it was done...
the woman refused to die. And then something miraculous happened.
In all my years coming here, I had never seen anything like it.
She was alive, truly alive, if only for a moment.
And that was when the maze revealed itself to me.
The maze" (The MiB, episode 8).
这是在30年来的游戏体验里面,迷宫第一次对MiB露出线索,
并且他感受到了接待员真正地活着(在杀母女过程中),
这个事件导致了MiB在现今时间点里持续找寻迷宫中心。
Maeve则是被女儿死亡的事件弄到崩溃,所以被带回检测
Westworld tech: "Sir, she won't respond to verbal commands.
We can't shut her down"
Bernard: "I don't understand. She's not responding to anything.
Her cognition's fragmented"
Ford (plays Reveries song): "There. That's better.
An old trick from an old friend. You need not suffer, Maeve.
I'll take it from you. Give yourself now to a deep, dreamless slumber.
Perhaps a fresh start, a new role for you. And tomorrow,
this will be simply a distant dream" (episode 8).
当Maeve的记忆消除完毕,她用一把刀刺穿了自己喉咙,
接下来就以老鸨的身分出现在现今时间点的Mariposa
当Maeve自杀以后,Bernard问了Ford到底发生了什么事。
他不了解为何Maeve可以因为被抹除的记忆自杀,然后Bernard就当机了
“But how could she destroy herself over a memory that you just erased
from her mind?”
“Creatures often go to extremes to protect themselves from pain”
“Living beings. Not hosts. It would signal a change, a level of
empathic response outside what she's programmed to exhibit.
Something like… like…” (Bernard and Ford, episode 9)
第四时期:现今时间点
Dolores (现在)
"Sometimes I feel... like something's calling me.
Telling me there's a place for me somewhere beyond all this"
(Dolores, episode 4).
Dolores在每日循环中跟Teddy在农场遇到了MiB,他把她带去谷仓并且拔出小刀
"Why don't we reacquaint ourselves, Dolores? Start at the beginning"
(The MiB, episode 1).
她老爸在找到一张照片以后错乱了,并且念了"these violent delights have
violent ends"给她听,她又念给Maeve听。接下来她开始听到Arnold的声音
并且想起以前的事情
当Rebus试着在循环中强暴她的时候,她想起了旧老爸以及她跟MiB的接触,
她根据Arnold的指令杀了Rebus,从党羽手中逃生,开始走自己的路
一个女性Westworld工作人员(她提到了Ford的新故事线)告诉Stubbs说Dolores跳脱了
循环并且她是不是跟游客在一起并不清楚。Stubbs告诉她把Dolores标记给行为部门
并且找个人去检查
Dolores到了Lawrence的老家并且遇到Lawrence的女儿,他女儿跟她说他们来自
同一个地方,我们看到过一个画面是他女儿原本坐着,但是突然消失,
画面切换到Dolores跟William的30年前回忆中
Dolores独自抵达了Pariah外面的墓园,她穿过Pariah 上了往公园郊区的火车
我们看到了当故事闪回到现今时间点的时候,William跟Lawrence突然消失
(不过她30年前穿的衣服也一样)
Dolores到了跟William在30年前一起遇到年轻南方军的湖边
我们看到William跟年轻南方军突然消失,当画面切到现今时间点,
Dolores看到自己死在湖里面
Dolores到了有白教堂的小镇。我们在画面中看到,
当她看到因为Ford的新故事线已经被重建但是被遗弃状态的有白教堂的小镇,
她是独自一人。
(30年前在她跟William在一起的时候,这里只有黑色尖塔。
而大屠杀时,小镇则是充满生命力)
Dolores离开了有白教堂的小镇,重新追溯30年前跟William的回忆。
因为接待员不会回想,只会重新经历回忆,所以在现今时间点,
她跟着30年前的一样路径离开有白教堂的小镇再绕回来。
我们可以看到当时间切回现今时间点,她肚子上的刀伤消失了,
Dolores 又一次到了有白教堂的小镇,这次她走了进去,
我们看到她是自己走进去的,小镇是被遗弃状态。
Dolores进入了白教堂,并且从通道独自进入了地下的检测设施,
突然间她想起34年前她也是这样走向Arnold.
我们看到当Dolores在现今时间点走进白教堂时,画面闪回到34年前,
当时她穿着蓝色洋装
当Dolores回到地面层,MiB进来并且向她说 "Hello, Dolores".
Man in Black (现在)
"It's the maze, the deepest level of this game. You're gonna help me
find the entrance" (The MiB, episode 2).
MiB接触Dolores并且把她拖去谷仓重新认识,然后去了甜水镇找到给了他迷宫地图
并且告诉他Lawrence情报的庄家Kissy
他救下了正要被处刑的Lawrence并且带他回他的老家,杀了全部人来找出线索,
尽管Lawrence的女儿跟她说了迷宫不是给他去的
一个Westworld工作人员告诉Stubbs关于MiB正在做的事情,
Stubbs说"that gentleman gets whatever he wants".
MiB跟Lawrenc找到了Armistice,她说救Hector出狱就给线索。
MiB做到了并且得知Wyatt这个新故事线
MiB跟Lawrence开始出发找寻Wyatt并且遇到Teddy被Wyatt党羽们绑起来等死。
他们带上他并且MiB放了Lawrence的血来保持Teddy不死以便找寻Wyatt.
MiB说服Teddy一起去找Wyatt,说Dolores在他手上。他们一起进了酒吧并且遇到
问他们在干什么的Ford,Ford祝福他们并且修好了Teddy.
他们必须跨越边界,但是Pariah已经关闭,所以他们走了更危险的路。
他们遇到了Angela,目前新版身分是Wyatt的追随者
MiB: “It’s you. I figured they retired you. Guess Ford never
likes to waste a pretty face” (episode 8).
Angela就像是整个故事的锚点,她最早是撑雨伞的女人,然后变成接待William及出现在
广告里的迎宾人员,再来是Wyatt的党羽之一
Teddy想起来MiB对Dolores做的事情然后打昏了他。Teddy把他带到了营火旁边,
MiB说了他的过去,Angela从被救的人变成Wyatt的人然后刺了Teddy
Angela让Teddy想起了大屠杀,并且告诉MiB迷宫不是给他去的(跟Lawrence女儿讲的一样)
她叫他试一下一个游戏并且把他打昏。MiB醒来时,他脖子上有条绑在马身上的绳子。
他逃脱并且遇到Hale。Hale想要MiB帮忙弄走Ford,所以MiB是董事会的一员,
并且是Ford能持续做自己想做事情的关键人物
“Most of the guests just want a warm body to shoot or to fuck.
They would be perfectly happy with something a little less baroque.
And so would the board”
“That’s why you’re here? You want my vote to push Ford out?”
“I like for these things to be unanimous. After all,
it was you who kept Ford in business all those years ago”
“The narratives I’m interested in aren’t Ford’s.
You wanna push him out, be my guest. But no more interruptions.
I know where I’m going now and I don’t want to be disturbed.
Good luck, Charlotte” (Hale and the MiB, episode 9)
MiB去了有白教堂的小镇然后进到教堂里并遇到Dolores.
MiB跟William台词共通点
"Is that any way to treat an old friend? I've been coming here for 30 years,
but you still don't remember me, do you? After all we've been through.
They gave you a little more pluck, Dolores. Absolutely charming"
(The MiB, episode 1).
第一个共通点:"There's a Path for Everyone"
"I used to believe there was a path for everyone"
(Dolores to William, episode 4).
"As another old friend of mine likes to say,
there's a path for everyone" (The MiB, episode 5)
第二个共通点:Stories
“The only thing I had when I was a kid were books.
I used to live in them. I used to go to sleep dreaming
I'd wake up inside one of them 'cause they had meaning.
This place, this is like I woke up inside one of those stories.
I guess I just wanna find out what it means” (William, episode 7).
"This whole world is a story. I've read every page except the last one.
I need to find out how it ends. I want to know what this all means"
(The MiB, season 4).
第三个共通点:婚姻时间
"Dolores, back home, there's a woman, Juliet,
and her father owns the company where I work. She's Logan's sister.
And when I get home, we're getting married” (William, episode 7).
"Then, last year, my wife took the wrong pills.
Fell asleep in the bath. Tragic accident. 30 years of marriage vanished"
(The MiB, episode 8).
第四个共通点:真正的自己
“I used to think this place was all about pandering to your
baser instincts. Now I understand. It doesn't cater to your lowest self,
it reveals your deepest self.
It shows you who you really are" (William, episode 7).
"Because that's what this place does, right?
Reveals your true self" (The MiB, episode 8).
第五个共通点:恐吓因素
"I picked you precisely because you will never be a threat to anyone.
My sister probably picked you for the same reason"
(Logan to William, episode 5).
“There is not a man in the world that would take the tone with me
that you do. In a past life perhaps” (The MiB to Lawrence, episode 5).
第六个共通点:跟Lawrence一起冒过险
“You and I hunted down Ghost Nation braves in their winter grounds.
I know the whiskey you like to drink.
I know the tune you whistle when you’re taking a piss”
(The MiB to Lawrence, episode 2).
第七个共通点:玩游戏
“You said this place was a game. Last night,
I finally understood how to play it” (William, episode 9)
“Who said anything about you playing? I play” (the MiB, episode 1)
作者: ai102014 (贱兔)   2016-11-30 11:24:00
看完感觉没有不顺的地方
作者: arbwen ( )   2016-11-30 11:25:00
精华文呀这部其实是穿越剧...XD
作者: macrose (再次重逢的世界)   2016-11-30 11:26:00
Ep04开头的部份有误导,Dolores醒来拿枪,到转头看到William中间有剪接,她醒来起身第一瞬间,身后是没有William的,碰到William的Dolores应该没有枪,所以后面看到Dolores在Pariah开枪,William才会惊讶。这部戏充满误导,就连双线支持者也无法避免被误导所以原作者整理的1)是Ep04开头的状况(但没有无缝)
作者: Anakin (Anakin)   2016-11-30 11:35:00
原文没写错
楼主: fisher02 (fisher02)   2016-11-30 11:40:00
阿,那地方看了原作者的短片发现有错,但是就去睡了早上把剩下打完,忘了改回来。随手翻不大精确,多包涵"无缝"已删,英文ok的板友请看原文连结吧!文是大略翻的
作者: JuiFu617 (小夫)   2016-11-30 12:12:00
事实上主要双时间轴穿插倒叙部分时间轴
作者: arbwen ( )   2016-11-30 12:38:00
其实要找MIB跟W的不同点也很多耶像是剖开机器人的部份 或是 MIB现实身份的部份MIB曾跟Lawrenece说过现实中没人这样跟他说话上辈子也许有
作者: Anakin (Anakin)   2016-11-30 12:40:00
剖开机器人哪里不同?
作者: arbwen ( )   2016-11-30 12:40:00
可是反观William可能在现实中就是老老实实的好好先生所以logan会欺负他的样子MIB说他曾剖开机器人看到上万的零件 他反而不喜欢血肉但是William却一路觉得Dolores不像机器人像活生生人类
作者: Anakin (Anakin)   2016-11-30 12:43:00
这样要解释成不同也太牵强
作者: arbwen ( )   2016-11-30 12:44:00
他爱上这样活生生的Dolores 所以看到剖腹有机器他就怒了也是啦 有点牵强 XD 不过我觉得性格很明显不同呀
作者: macrose (再次重逢的世界)   2016-11-30 13:00:00
我觉那段算见笑转生气,因为被朋友嘲笑爱上机器人,还剖开来给他看,他气不过被笑分不清二次元还三次元,就花了一晚上解剖个仔细,在那之后William对Dolores的看法可能也有所转变。另外,MiB自抒一年前Maeve死前的画面,第一次让他感受到Host活着,这代表Dolores在他眼中不是真的
作者: SE4NLN415 (SE4N)   2016-11-30 13:06:00
那段转的蛮奇怪的 他明明就知道她是机器人 只是脑不同况且他叫她先逃之后会去找她? 这能够转化成MIB?如果MIB拿刀刺Maeve感悟 那W就不是MIB吧
作者: macrose (再次重逢的世界)   2016-11-30 13:09:00
他原本以为Dolores跟其他Host不一样,但Ep10会发生一件事让他改变看法。转而相信Logan一开始说的:Dolores是园方派来主动接近他的,而不是因为她的自由意志
作者: a1234sd   2016-11-30 13:15:00
这边其实有个对比,Logan刺Dolores,D划伤Logan/MiB刺Maeve,Maeve划伤MiB. 至于这代表什么 很明显吧?
作者: arbwen ( )   2016-11-30 13:16:00
Dolores其实是Maeve!!!!!!!!!!!(误)
作者: macrose (再次重逢的世界)   2016-11-30 13:19:00
我不明白代表什么?(举手)
作者: a1234sd   2016-11-30 13:23:00
看过发生跟经历过是不太一样的,William 当年没意识到,后来经历过才感受到,后来想起D也曾经这样 回去找到试刀?(脑补xD 其实真的很多没交代 总之我的看法 大家参考
作者: LonelyLove (傲然与懦弱)   2016-11-30 13:26:00
a1234大提出这个真的有玄机耶!!!
作者: vannysa (无嘴无是非)   2016-11-30 13:51:00
这系列的时间整理文看到都累了-.-包括自己看完第八集后从第一集重run了一次。还是感谢转时间整理文。
作者: ariachiang (arianna)   2016-11-30 13:54:00
另外一种可能,Logan刀过Dolores,多年后再刀一次确认Dolores还是同一个Dolores。
作者: macrose (再次重逢的世界)   2016-11-30 13:56:00
Logan没理由执著于Dolores,他清楚知道Dolores是二次元啊
作者: ariachiang (arianna)   2016-11-30 13:56:00
不过,剧中怀旧的提过现代版的失去了机械的优雅
作者: ariachiang (arianna)   2016-11-30 13:57:00
而有一个小小小小的问题就在于MIB说以前的D比较消瘦不过...画面感觉却不是这样,除非D的拼凑回忆中是用现在的样貌进行构建,所以会跟MIB描述的不同但是D也反手赏了Logan一刀,还让书僮Billy反制他,都是恨点也是执著点另外,就是不会迷失所以闯关宰HOST时更是不手软

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